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Eric J. Moreels
Jan 30, 2002, 03:12 am
{Originally posted at X-Fan v3.1 on January 22, 2002}

The hot rumour of the moment, first broken last Sunday by the All The Rage (http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/index.htm?contents=rage/index.htm) rumour column, is the possibility that Cable, Deadpool, and X-Force are to be cancelled and relaunched under the new titles of Soldier X, Agent X, and X-Statics, respectively. The rumoured relaunch could also involve those titles rebooting with new #1 issues.

When contacted by X-Fan for clarification of the rumour, Marvel Editor-in-Chief Joe Quesada, inbound Cable writer Darko Macan, outgoing Cable writer David Tischman, and inbound Deadpool writer Gail Simone all declined to comment.

But whilst comments - either on the record of off - have been hard to obtain, it hasn't silenced some of those involved entirely. Simone made a brief tongue-in-cheek comment regarding the rumoured changes at the Warren Ellis Forum (http://forums.delphiforums.com/ellis/messages?msg=28996.28) on Monday afternoon, saying, "I think they should cancel it after I've messed it up! This all sounds very mysterious - name changes, secret cabals, fish with pants..."

Simone also posted a quick comment in her You'll All Be Sorry (http://www.comicbookresources.com/community/forums/showthread.php?threadid=85) forum on the CBR Message Board.

"Okay, I got fifty emails about this... that Deadpool is going to be canceled," posted Simone. "All I want to say is: ALL IS WELL. ;)"

Cable editor Andrew Lis inadvertantly added more fuel to the speculatory fires with some comments in a recent press release regarding Macan's upcoming tenure on the title. (See "MACAN'S CABLE-GRAMS (http://64.158.235.98/xfan/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=66)" and "MACAN PLUGS CABLE BACK IN (http://64.158.235.98/xfan/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=62)" for more details.)

"Together, Darko and Igor {Kordey, series artist} will be taking Cable on a wild ride that will culminate this July," Lis told Marvel's Bill Rosemann. "I don't want to say too much about the first arc, but we will see a completely unexpected take on the Askani religion, and a few radical changes in the status quo. All of this will follow Darko's customary crisp scripts dealing with realistic consequences for all involved. We'll make you think with this book."

Co-creator of the characters of Cable, Deadpool, and the original X-Force members Rob Liefeld recently spoke out on the <a href="http://www.spinnerrack.com/messageboards/threads.php?thread_id=70&curval=633&recs_per_page=10&soil=4c8e4cf43e2f3165e1b4aa8700c1f98b" target="_blank"><i>SpinnerRack.com</i></a> forums regarding the rumour and the suggested reason that the changes are a means toward ceasing royalty payments to him.

"Okay, I've heard from several people about this and I can address it pretty quickly," posted Liefeld. "First off, I have no knowledge of this but have been expecting it for some time because the books are not selling well, despite the best efforts of Marvel to promote them and critics who heap praise on them. Except for Deadpool. Cable is selling at embarrassingly low numbers, especially considering that when I did my brief stint on it two years back, sales leaped from a depressing 60,000 units to a respectable 115,000 units with the first issue including newstand circulation. Cable #75 peaked around 125,000 units and the book has slid horribly since then. I use my royalty stubs from Marvel as reference for all this info BTW. X-Force has been sick for a long time and this latest team is decent but very niche oriented. Milligan is a great writer but most people are turned off by Allred's stale artwork. All three titles used to pay me royalties, which were especially handsome throughout the 90's but when sales drop to under a certain sales level, they no longer pay royalties. This differs per book, for instance, an X-book has a higher drop off than a lower book, like Captain Marvel which is expected to sell less in the first place so they adjust the cut off in order to give the talent an opportunity at a royalty on a lesser profile book. But when you reach the sales slump that these books have been in, the brass finds a way to cut off royalties."

"So the idea that they would kill the books in order to save on royalty payments to people like myself is simply unfounded," continued Liefeld. "It would be much more devious if the books were selling exceptionally well and Marvel re-named them in order to keep the riches for themselves, but in the case of these titles, there are no riches to keep as they are barely posting profits at all. The books as they are now, with the exception to X-Force, represent an era that Joe {Quesada} has shown great disdain for, so it makes sense that he would re-configure them to suit his needs. But the real truth of the story is that despite all its hype, Marvel continues to struggle and post more and more losses. They need to maintain cash flow and the quickest, not by any means the best way to do that, is to spit out new #1's. Heaven forbid they actually put together some really appealing teams to do the books that catch the attention of the fans. New Mutants for example was the lowest selling X-title when I came onboard. Within a 15 month period we were the #2 selling X-title and #100 outsold {Uncanny} X-Men #275. We did it with creative enthusiasm, not gimmicks, although those would come later."

"Frank Miller is eligable for royalties on every Elektra project, as am I on Cable related material, if sales warrant it. It makes no difference whether or not we actually write or draw the material."

X-Fan will endeavour to have more on this story as it develops.

daedsiluap
Feb 5, 2002, 01:30 am
So what's up? Is this rumor true or not?

It better be false. I feel silly enough buying a comic titled X-Treme X-Men.

xtremexman
Feb 5, 2002, 03:26 am
Originally posted by daedsiluap
So what's up? Is this rumor true or not?

It better be false. I feel silly enough buying a comic titled X-Treme X-Men.

Why do you feel silly? It is the best core X Men book out there right now.

daedsiluap
Feb 5, 2002, 04:33 am
The title is what's silly. X-Treme? I just resent the idea that an X sells a book.

Al Harahap
Feb 5, 2002, 06:46 am
I have to agree with daedsiluap; it's refreshing to see X-titles that don't sport the X. But then again, they're just changing X-Force into...X-Statics? (Whatever that means...) Maybe Liefeld was right with his comments about Marvel just rying to find a way around giving him royalties for the names Cable, Deadpool, and X-Force, even if it'll confuse fans. It's all about the $$--never the fans... :sigh:

xtremexman
Feb 5, 2002, 04:47 pm
Originally posted by Karma
I have to agree with daedsiluap; it's refreshing to see X-titles that don't sport the X. But then again, they're just changing X-Force into...X-Statics? (Whatever that means...) Maybe Liefeld was right with his comments about Marvel just rying to find a way around giving him royalties for the names Cable, Deadpool, and X-Force, even if it'll confuse fans. It's all about the $$--never the fans... :sigh:

Cable = Soldier X
Deadpool = Agent X
X Force = X Statics

Now THAT is silly.

mistersinister
Feb 5, 2002, 05:30 pm
They should cancel Cable. I mean, ever since the re-launch, it's nothing but GI Joe with a dash of askani thrown in for good measure. All this talk about "getting back to the real Cable" and the book is nothing like the 6-pack Cable, the X-Force Cable, the X-Man Cable or the Weinberg sci-fi/fantasy Cable.

The real Nathan Summers is in limbo with X-Force (but I do love that new X-Force!)

xtremexman
Feb 5, 2002, 05:36 pm
Originally posted by mistersinister
They should cancel Cable. I mean, ever since the re-launch, it's nothing but GI Joe with a dash of askani thrown in for good measure. All this talk about "getting back to the real Cable" and the book is nothing like the 6-pack Cable, the X-Force Cable, the X-Man Cable or the Weinberg sci-fi/fantasy Cable.

The real Nathan Summers is in limbo with X-Force (but I do love that new X-Force!)

I'm with you. Marvel should cancel Cable. However, I believe you are mistaken. There was never a relaunch with Cable. A new creative team came on board, but no relaunch was ever involved.

A relaunch is when a title is cancelled and then started up again with a new number one. Look at Captain America, for example. Vol. 3 ended with #50, and Vol. 4 is going to have a new number one. That is a prime example of a relaunch. They should do that with Cable now, seeing as how the book has been suffering since the new creative team took over.

Ryan Scott
Feb 5, 2002, 05:48 pm
Originally posted by mistersinister
They should cancel Cable. I mean, ever since the re-launch, it's nothing but GI Joe with a dash of askani thrown in for good measure. All this talk about "getting back to the real Cable" and the book is nothing like the 6-pack Cable, the X-Force Cable, the X-Man Cable or the Weinberg sci-fi/fantasy Cable. The real Nathan Summers is in limbo with X-Force (but I do love that new X-Force!) So in essense you are saying they should cancel the book because it doesn't fit into your view of what the character should be like. What about the people who like it? Are you to just rob them of their enjoyment just because you don't like it and think it's "nothing but GI Joe with a dash of askani thrown in". Taste is subjective. Learn it, live it, love it. :D

xtremexman
Feb 5, 2002, 06:03 pm
Originally posted by MabusRex
So in essense you are saying they should cancel the book because it doesn't fit into your view of what the character should be like. What about the people who like it? Are you to just rob them of their enjoyment just because you don't like it and think it's "nothing but GI Joe with a dash of askani thrown in". Taste is subjective. Learn it, live it, love it. :D

My own personal take on it is the fact that Cable isn't doing too good at the moment. Cable is a comic book character first and foremost. Second to that he is the son of Scott Summers and Madelyne Pryor. Third, he is a former leader of X Force. Fourth, he is a former member of the X Men.

As of late, we haven't been seeing any of that.

Ryan Scott
Feb 5, 2002, 06:11 pm
Originally posted by xtremexman
My own personal take on it is the fact that Cable isn't doing too good at the moment. Cable is a comic book character first and foremost. Second to that he is the son of Scott Summers and Madelyne Pryor. Third, he is a former leader of X Force. Fourth, he is a former member of the X Men.

As of late, we haven't been seeing any of that. I understand this. But you are saying that your personal take should dictate whether Marvel can release and produce a certain product. Because Cable doesn't fit into any of those criteria you listed (and I think some people might argue that the first point still holds true ;) ), it should then be cancelled, no matter anyone else's opinions on the book.

xtremexman
Feb 5, 2002, 06:16 pm
Originally posted by MabusRex
I understand this. But you are saying that your personal take should dictate whether Marvel can release and produce a certain product. Because Cable doesn't fit into any of those criteria you listed (and I think some people might argue that the first point still holds true ;) ), it should then be cancelled, no matter anyone else's opinions on the book.

I did not say that. Why do you always have to turn things around? I was just giving my own opinion, and then you made it out to be like I was telling Marvel what to do. Next time read more into a post before you make an assumption like that.

Ryan Scott
Feb 5, 2002, 06:18 pm
Firstly, I actually address MisterSinister in the first post. Not you.

Secondly, Originally posted by xtremexman
I'm with you. Marvel should cancel Cable.I rest my case.

xtremexman
Feb 5, 2002, 06:24 pm
Originally posted by MabusRex
Firstly, I actually address MisterSinister in the first post. Not you.

Secondly, I rest my case.

For Christ's sake, why do you have to be so rude? I was only making a suggestion that Marvel should cancel Cable. I wasn't flat out telling them what to do. God, you are such a jerk.

daedsiluap
Feb 5, 2002, 06:41 pm
First off, chill out.

Second off, many fans feel it is Cable being x-force's leader, cyclops' son, and a former x-man that has hurt the character. I personally liked him better when he was a tough soldier with his own agendas and he broke Deadpool's jaw and mailed him home. It sounds like that's what they're trying to do now, although I don't really read the title any more. (I'm just not really into the character.) I'm not saying that Marvel should just erase his X-History, but Cable does need to be more than just another X-Man. (Meaning a member of the team X-Men, not that X-Man guy.) I say let the writer have a while at it, and the intended audience might just discover it.

Of course, my opinion is of no importance on the matter, as I haven't read Cable in years and don't really care about keeping continuity up with this character.

xtremexman
Feb 5, 2002, 06:47 pm
Originally posted by daedsiluap
First off, chill out.

Second off, many fans feel it is Cable being x-force's leader, cyclops' son, and a former x-man that has hurt the character. I personally liked him better when he was a tough soldier with his own agendas and he broke Deadpool's jaw and mailed him home. It sounds like that's what they're trying to do now, although I don't really read the title any more. (I'm just not really into the character.) I'm not saying that Marvel should just erase his X-History, but Cable does need to be more than just another X-Man. (Meaning a member of the team X-Men, not that X-Man guy.) I say let the writer have a while at it, and the intended audience might just discover it.

Of course, my opinion is of no importance on the matter, as I haven't read Cable in years and don't really care about keeping continuity up with this character.

Chill out? CHILL OUT? I will chill out when he apologizes.

Ryan Scott
Feb 5, 2002, 06:52 pm
Originally posted by xtremexman
Chill out? CHILL OUT? I will chill out when he apologizes. Ummmmmmmmm....no. I have nothing to apologize for as I have not called you any names (unlike you have to me) and I refuted each of your points with quotes. So, what do I have to apologize for?

xtremexman
Feb 5, 2002, 06:58 pm
Originally posted by MabusRex
Ummmmmmmmm....no. I have nothing to apologize for as I have not called you any names (unlike you have to me) and I refuted each of your points with quotes. So, what do I have to apologize for?

P.S. Appropriate song choice :D

And the insults just keep on coming, don't they? First you offend me by implying that Ii was telling Marvel what to do. Then you further offend me by refusing to aplogize. Now, you dare to insult me by calling me cocky just because of the song I was listening to at the time of my last post? Just who the hell do you think you are?

Ryan Scott
Feb 5, 2002, 07:00 pm
Thus why I attempted to edit it out before you read it (see edit time). THAT I'll apologize for, as it was unwarrented.

Anyway, if you wish to continue this, I suggest you take it to the PMing function, as I'm sure many readers are getting annoyed by this back and forth between us. Sorry to get off topic, everyone.

xtremexman
Feb 5, 2002, 07:07 pm
Originally posted by MabusRex
Thus why I attempted to edit it out before you read it (see edit time). THAT I'll apologize for, as it was unwarrented.

Anyway, if you wish to continue this, I suggest you take it to the PMing function, as I'm sure many readers are getting annoyed by this back and forth between us. Sorry to get off topic, everyone.

Oh, sure. You aplogize to them but not to me. Oh, well. Nver mind. You aren't worthy of arguing with.

ManolisV
Feb 6, 2002, 04:17 am
Originally posted by xtremexman


My own personal take on it is the fact that Cable isn't doing too good at the moment. Cable is a comic book character first and foremost. Second to that he is the son of Scott Summers and Madelyne Pryor. Third, he is a former leader of X Force. Fourth, he is a former member of the X Men.

As of late, we haven't been seeing any of that.

cable is a soldier from the future with a bionic arm and psionic powers. that;'s who he is. being someone;'s son doesn't really define someone mate!

Erwin Rafael
Feb 6, 2002, 07:37 am
Originally posted by Karma
I have to agree with daedsiluap; it's refreshing to see X-titles that don't sport the X. But then again, they're just changing X-Force into...X-Statics? (Whatever that means...) Maybe Liefeld was right with his comments about Marvel just rying to find a way around giving him royalties for the names Cable, Deadpool, and X-Force, even if it'll confuse fans. It's all about the $$--never the fans... :sigh:

it's all about the $$--never the fans?!!! :(

how can you make any such accusations when there's not even one shred of solid evidence regarding this rumor except the word of Rich Johnston? maybe somebody's playing with us again, who knows?

Al Harahap
Feb 6, 2002, 07:50 am
Originally posted by 3rdsummers


it's all about the $$--never the fans?!!! :(

how can you make any such accusations when there's not even one shred of solid evidence regarding this rumor except the word of Rich Johnston? maybe somebody's playing with us again, who knows?

You're right--I'll wait to see if they do this whole reboot thing...then I'll start on'em. :devil:

Erwin Rafael
Feb 6, 2002, 09:12 am
Originally posted by Karma


You're right--I'll wait to see if they do this whole reboot thing...then I'll start on'em. :devil:

now that's more like it :cool:

Erwin Rafael
Feb 6, 2002, 09:33 am
Originally posted by xtremexman


My own personal take on it is the fact that Cable isn't doing too good at the moment. Cable is a comic book character first and foremost.

well, he still is in a comic book, so technically, he's still a comic book character...


Second to that he is the son of Scott Summers and Madelyne Pryor.

well, he still is. you know, we go around in life and we don't keep on repeating to everybody that i am the son/daughter of somebody, but doesn't change the fact that we are the son/daughter of that somebody. even in comic books, we are not continuously reminded every issue that Cyclops is the son of Corsair or something...

Third, he is a former leader of X Force. Fourth, he is a former member of the X Men. As of late, we haven't been seeing any of that.

i used to head a musical troupe back in college. i am now practicing my profession as an accountant, something so far from what i used to do. that happenes to people all the time. (although i might be picking up the instruments again sometime soon :D) does that make me not me? (or something to that effect :D)

should we limit CABLE inside a box of our preconceptions? there are many perspectives to a person, many choices in life one can make. hell, i know a popular leftist activist who became a spokeperson for a corrupt capitalist politician. change is a constant in life. actually, if you really read Tischman's CABLE, there's nothing contradicting any past incarnation of the character. it's just a new perspective...

mistersinister
Feb 6, 2002, 02:34 pm
Originally posted by MabusRex
Firstly, I actually address MisterSinister in the first post. Not you.

Secondly, I rest my case.

Boy, now I feel guilty about starting such a war of words with my sloppy semantics. To clarify:

When I said "they should cancel Cable" I was merely agreeing with the rumor that they would re-boot Cable as Soldier X. Implicit in my statement was my personal negative opinion about the current direction of the title.

Now, I was saying that Marvel should cancel it/reboot it because I don't like Tischmann's take on Cable. I feel that Tischmann could effectively tell his geo-political tales with any character and that the essence of the character of Cable is not intrinsic to the core concept of the title.

I guess that was the point I was interested in hearing people's opinions about - whether or not the new direction is really a new take on Cable, or if it's just a concept that Marvel attached an X to in order to "hit the ground running" with sales.

I'd go out on a limb and guess that Tichmann has the concept for the book before he got the assignment to write Cable...and that he fit the concept around the character rather than the other way around.

Regarding my other sloppy semantics, I guess I personally see a re-boot as re-starting the title at #1. A re-launch is a change in concept where the numbering continues. For example, X-Force is clearly a re-launch even though the numbers continued. I feel the same way about Cable...the switch from weinberg to tischmann was so radical and abrupt that it felt like a totally new book.

charm
Feb 6, 2002, 05:29 pm
I'm really enjoying Tischamn's run on Cable, I also enjoyed RW's run. I think that society etc etc etc has moved on alot since Cable's original inception and the comic should refletc this. I think everybody now accepts there are more shades of grey and less black and white and to a certain extent I think Cable now reflects this. I certainly think the current run is 'of our times' and iconic.

Now, having said that, I do realise Cable is only a comic. I'm also looking forward to the new creative team but Marvel had better not cancel the comic. I don't really want a relaunch as I'm quite happy seeing the different facets of Cable and a relaunch to me would imply an entirely new character.

I'll apologise in advance if this sounds abit twee and pompous

:O (my favourite smilie !)

Charm

Michael Fisch
Feb 6, 2002, 05:57 pm
This would be a huge mistake on marvel's part. It would be resorting to the poor tactics used in the 90s to generate sales--the very same thing the Joe Quesada promised not to do. I thought that era was over.

At least as far as Deadpool and Cable are concerned, that is. X-Force, I believe, should have been cancelled and relaunched with a new title (or at least started over with a #1) when Allred came on board. There was nothing linking the new direction with what the comic was before--not the same members, not the same direction, not the same purpose. Therefore, not the same comic. In that case, a relaunch would be valid. Relaunches that serve no purpose but to put an X in the tilte and up the sales are poor business choices, in my opinion.

Finally, and no offense to Rob Liefield, but I found his comments to be somewhat pompus and arrogant. Pretty vain to rest on the laurels of what was done ten years ago in comparison to the market today--especially when I think Liefield was a major part of everything that went wrong with comics in the 90s.

BTW, kudos to Mistersinister on your choice of music. Aimee Mann rocks!!!

xtremexman
Feb 6, 2002, 09:33 pm
Originally posted by ManolisV


cable is a soldier from the future with a bionic arm and psionic powers. that;'s who he is. being someone;'s son doesn't really define someone mate!

I know Cable is a soldier from the future. As for his arm, it isn't bionic. You are thinking about Jax from Mortal Kombat. Cable's arm is techno organic, or at least it used to be. Wasn't he cured not too long ago?

ManolisV
Feb 7, 2002, 04:02 am
well, it was supposed to be organic at first, then got phoenixed (a.k.a. retconned) into technoorganic. that's not the point of my previous post, though... :)

xtremexman
Feb 7, 2002, 08:56 pm
Originally posted by ManolisV
well, it was supposed to be organic at first, then got phoenixed (a.k.a. retconned) into technoorganic. that's not the point of my previous post, though... :)

So did I surprise you with my knowledge of Cable? You'd be amazed with how much I know about the X Men.

CryofHavok
Feb 7, 2002, 09:19 pm
This quote of Liefeld's kinda made me chuckle"

"They need to maintain cash flow and the quickest, not by any means the best way to do that, is to spit out new #1's. Heaven forbid they actually put together some really appealing teams to do the books that catch the attention of the fans. New Mutants for example was the lowest selling X-title when I came onboard. Within a 15 month period we were the #2 selling X-title and #100 outsold {Uncanny} X-Men #275. We did it with creative enthusiasm, not gimmicks, although those would come later."

While I agree with his statement, and I am a big fan of his but...isnt that exactly what he did to the New Mutants? Changed the title and relaunched it again at number 1?

xtremexman
Feb 7, 2002, 11:54 pm
Originally posted by CryofHavok
This quote of Liefeld's kinda made me chuckle"

"They need to maintain cash flow and the quickest, not by any means the best way to do that, is to spit out new #1's. Heaven forbid they actually put together some really appealing teams to do the books that catch the attention of the fans. New Mutants for example was the lowest selling X-title when I came onboard. Within a 15 month period we were the #2 selling X-title and #100 outsold {Uncanny} X-Men #275. We did it with creative enthusiasm, not gimmicks, although those would come later."

While I agree with his statement, and I am a big fan of his but...isnt that exactly what he did to the New Mutants? Changed the title and relaunched it again at number 1?

That is exactly what happened. Cable meeting the New Mutants was a prelude to X Force. After that, New Mutants became X Force. New Mutants ended, and X Force began with a new number one. Basically, one book ended and was started up again under a new name.

That was what you were talking about, right?

AlyxNsac
Feb 8, 2002, 12:19 am
The bad news just keeps on coming. Now they're "relaunching" titles again? Great, just what we need, more corporate tactics applied to what was once a great comic company. They will do just about anything it seems to get "sales up", and dodging royalties to Liefeld would seem even more possible. One has to wonder if they didn't drop the comics code more to not have to pay a company to "rate" them, then to actually make a statement. This is all about money, not enjoyment for the reader. I hope to God someone takes over quickly, and puts an end to this madness.

xtremexman
Feb 8, 2002, 12:26 am
Originally posted by AlyxNsac
The bad news just keeps on coming. Now they're "relaunching" titles again? Great, just what we need, more corporate tactics applied to what was once a great comic company. They will do just about anything it seems to get "sales up", and dodging royalties to Liefeld would seem even more possible. One has to wonder if they didn't drop the comics code more to not have to pay a company to "rate" them, then to actually make a statement. This is all about money, not enjoyment for the reader. I hope to God someone takes over quickly, and puts an end to this madness.

Amen, brother. Amen.

Ryan Scott
Feb 8, 2002, 12:43 am
I don't mind a relaunch, really. As long as the creative teams create worthwhile stories, I'm buying. They could call it "X-Quisite and the X-Boys" and I'd still buy it.

xtremexman
Feb 8, 2002, 01:25 am
Originally posted by MabusRex
I don't mind a relaunch, really. As long as the creative teams create worthwhile stories, I'm buying. They could call it "X-Quisite and the X-Boys" and I'd still buy it.

I don't mind a relaunch either, but this is just plain idiotic.

ToddCam
Feb 8, 2002, 02:24 am
I can't wait for X-Quisite and the X-Boys!

Thanks for improving my day tenfold!

Eric J. Moreels
Feb 8, 2002, 02:49 am
Originally posted by xtremexman
I don't mind a relaunch either, but this is just plain idiotic.

No, what's idiotic is people bashing this rumour (and yes folks, it's still a rumour at this stage) without even knowing any details or having even seen an actual issue.

HulkBoy
Feb 8, 2002, 02:54 am
Originally posted by X-Fan


No, what's idiotic is people bashing this rumour (and yes folks, it's still a rumour at this stage) without even knowing any details or having even seen an actual issue.

No what's plain idiotic is you censoring eveything.

AlyxNsac
Feb 8, 2002, 03:22 am
What's idiotic is the fact that we even have to discuss this awful thing, be it rumor or fact. There's evidently a lot more to it than just made up notions, as there's an actual preview for it now. At this point Marvel will do anything for a quick buck, what we have here is another "nuff said" tragedy waiting to happen.

Eric J. Moreels
Feb 8, 2002, 03:37 am
Originally posted by HulkBoy
No what's plain idiotic is you censoring eveything.

Ah, the tired old cry of censorship. Actually, no, I'm not censoring people from voicing their opinions, so long as they're well-thought out and they have facts to back them up. That's all I ask of people - think before you post.

And HulkBoy, if you keep up with this disruptive influence, then I'll have no choice but to boot you from the board.

And no, that's not censorship either, that's ensuring a disruption-free environment for others to post in.

Eric J. Moreels
Feb 8, 2002, 03:40 am
Originally posted by AlyxNsac
What's idiotic is the fact that we even have to discuss this awful thing, be it rumor or fact. There's evidently a lot more to it than just made up notions, as there's an actual preview for it now. At this point Marvel will do anything for a quick buck, what we have here is another "nuff said" tragedy waiting to happen.

Easy, Alyx. How about waiting for some details before you go panning this.

xtremexman
Feb 19, 2002, 10:30 pm
I agree with Eric on this one. I am going to wait until I hear the official word from Marvel that would declare this rumor either true or false. Until that time comes, I am just not going to worry about it anymore.

nmoc x
Feb 21, 2002, 07:17 pm
Personally, I just donīt understand why Marvel is doing that, as for Cable and Deadpool, will they change their names too, or is it just the title? And will they change their direction too? If so, Why? They were kind of relauched recently, and become more distinctive than before.

As for X-Force, I would agree with the relauch, and the subsequent titke change, if that were made a year ago, when Milligan and Alred took place, but now, a year after the relauch, why?

However, if the book will continue like it was, with Milligan / Alred on it, and above all, Doop, I will continue to read it, for shure.

Wolverine
Feb 27, 2002, 01:46 am
I am glad that it is true. Go X-statistics!