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M.O. Frisch
May 29, 2002, 01:12 pm
<img src="http://x-mencomics.com/xfan/images/headshots/logos/hellfireclub_logo.jpg" align=left alt="Hellfire Club logo">Purpose: (Inner Circle) World domination through economic and political influence; (Club as a whole) Social organization
Modus Operandi: (Inner Circle) Subversive political and economic activities, recruitment of powerful superhumans, organization of mercenary force
Known Members (Inner Circle, New York): Selene , Roberto DaCosta [Black Rook III; a.k.a. Sunspot], Blackheart [Black King IV], Daimon Hellstrom [White King IV; formerly known as Hellstorm]
[b]Known Members (Club as a whole): Sebastian H. Shaw [formerly Black King I], Emma Frost [presumed; formerly White Queen I], Warren K. Worthington III [a.k.a. Archangel], Anthony Stark [presumed; a.k.a. Iron Man], Norman Osborn [presumed; a.k.a. Green Goblin], Lady Jaqueline Crichton [formerly known as Spitfire], Wo-Han, Ronald Parvenue
Known Former Members (Inner Circle, New York): Sir Patrick Clemens (1780), Lady Diana Knight (1780), Commander Clinton (1780), Lady Grey (1781), Elizabeth Worthington (1781); Anton Pierce (1872) [presumed]; Edward Buckman [White King II], Paris Seville [White Queen II]; Sebastian H. Shaw , Tessa [a.k.a. Sage], Donald Pierce [White Bishop I/ White King I], Harry Leland [Black Bishop I], Emma Frost [White Queen I], Jason Wyngarde [a.k.a. Mastermind], Jean Grey II [Black Queen I; a.k.a. Phoenix II], Friedrich von Roehm [Black Rook I], Emmanuel DaCosta [White Rook I], Magnus [White King III/ Grey King I; a.k.a. Magneto], Ororo Munroe [temporarily shared the position of White King III with Magnus; a.k.a. Storm]; Shinobi Shaw [Black King II], Benedict Kine, Benazir Kaur, Reeva Payge, White Queen III; Scribe [Red Rook, sharing her body with the mutant Mountjoy], Madelyne Pryor II [Black Rook II; a.k.a. Queen Maddie], Trevor Fitzroy [presumed; presumed White Rook II; a.k.a. Chronomancer]; Sir Gordon Philips [Lord Imperial]
[b]Known Former Members (Inner Circle, London): John Stuart (third Earl of Bute; 1760s), Duncan Munro (1760s); Sir Patrick Clemens (late 1700s), Lady Diana Knight (late 1700s); Lord Braddock (1859), Shaw (1859), Franz (1859); Waltham Pierce (1915), Sir Harry Manners (1915); Sir James Braddock ; Red King, Margali Szardos [Red Queen], Scribe [sharing her body with the mutant Mountjoy], Black King III, Red Bishop, Ms. Steed [Black Queen III], Brian Braddock [Black Bishop III; a.k.a. Captain Britain], Adrienne Frost [presumed White Queen IV], Sir Gordon Philips [Lord Imperial]
[b]Known Special Agents: (Inner Circle, New York) formerly Warhawk, Wade Cole, Angelo Macon, Murray Reese, Cannonball II, Axe, Hellions [Empath, Roulette, Catseye, Thunderbird II, Tarot, Jetstream, Firestar, Sunspot, Magma II, Cannonball II, Wolfsbane, Beef, Bevatron], Paul Garwood, White Knights, Ebon Knights, Miss Hoo, Sabretooth; (Inner Circle, London) Rutledge
Known Former Members (Club As a Whole): Major-General Wallace Worthington (1780) [possibly], Captain Steven Rogers (1780) [possibly; a.k.a. Captain America VIII], Heinrich Zemo (1915) [presumed], Zemo (1915) [presumed], Lourdes Chantal [presumed], Howard Stark, Warren Worthington, Jr., John Braddock, Candace Southern, Bianca LaNeige, Elizabeth Braddock [a.k.a. Psylocke]
Known Bases of Operations: Hellfire Club Mansions in New York City, Boston, Philadelphia, London, Los Angeles, Hong Kong, Venice, and Rio de Janeiro; formerly The Massachusetts Academy
Known Extent of Operations: United States, Western Europe, South America and Hong Kong
Known Allies: (Inner Circle, New York) formerly Henry Peter Gyrich, Joey Z, Black Air, Ch’vayre, Paladin, Dr. Roderick Campbell, Upstarts, Candra, Senator Robert Kelly, Steven Lang, Project: Wideawake; (Inner Circle, London) formerly Michele Scicluna, Threadgold, Scratch, Black Air, Devil Under London Town, Sebastian Shaw, Angus Munroe, Apocalypse, Mister Sinister
Major Enemies: (Inner Circle, New York) X-Force, Damocles Foundation, Shadow Hunters, Fantastic Four; formerly Machine Man, Cable, Kingpin, X-Men, New Warriors, Upstarts, Rachel Summers, Nimrod II, New Mutants, Captain America VIII; (Inner Circle, London) formerly Excalibur, Union Jack
First Appearance: (Hellfire Club, New York) <i>X-Men (1st series) #125</i> (mentioned), <i>X-Men (1st series) #129</i> (fully); (Inner Circle, New York) <i>X-Men (1st series) #129</i> (in shadows); <i>X-Men (1st series) #132</i> (fully); (Hellfire Club, London) <i>Excalibur (1st series) #9</i>; (Inner Circle, London) <i>Excalibur (1st series) #96</i>

Profile: The Hellfire Club as a whole is an overt, worldwide organization, open to the most wealthy and powerful members of society. Within the Club, there is a secret cabal of two Inner Circles, one in New York, the other in London, which are only known to a select few. Each Inner Circle – sometimes also referred to as the Council of the Chosen – consists of two rival colors, each generally comprising a set of one Rook, Bishop, Queen and King, as well as, occasionally, members which do not belong to any particular color, and do not hold a specific position. Traditionally, the two colors are Black and White, but cases are known where one was replaced by Red, or when the additional color Grey was introduced by a ruling King. Each Inner Circle is ruled by its set of Queens and Kings, who are referred to as the Lords Cardinal of the Inner Circle. Above both Inner Circles rules the Lord Imperial. Currently, only New York’s Inner Circle is known to be active. Its members include the immortal mutant sorceress Selene (Black Queen), the demon Mephisto’s son Blackheart (Black King), the former Defender Daimon Hellstrom (White King), and Roberto DaCosta, alias Sunspot (Black Rook), formerly of X-Force and the New Mutants. The last known Lord Imperial of the Inner Circles of the Hellfire Club, Sir Gordon Philips, was murdered by Mystique’s Brotherhood of Mutants (III).

History: While it is presumed that the Hellfire Club was founded in the 1760s in London, its only initiators known by name are the Scotsmen John Stuart (third Earl of Bute and Prime Minister of Great Britain) and Duncan Munro, whose descendant, named Angus Munroe, was encountered by Spider-Man in the Scottish town of Ross-Shire. In the 1770s, Club members Sir Patrick Clemens and Lady Diana Knight emigrated to the United States and founded the New York City branch of the Hellfire Club. [See <i>Excalibur #99</i>, <i>Spider-Man: Spirits of the Earth</i> and <i>Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe: Master Edition #28</i>. Other sources: Brandon Peterson, <i>Ultimate X-Men</i>, (New York: Dorling Kindersley Publishing, Inc.: 2000), pp. 86-87.]

In the year 1780, a young British emigrant named Elizabeth Shaw was introduced to the Philadelphia chapter of the Hellfire Club by a woman only known as Lady Grey. In order to gain access to strategic information, Shaw’s mission was to seduce the patriotic Major-General Wallace Worthington, who had just been appointed Commandant of the city Philadelphia. Worthington and Shaw soon married, but in 1781, when the time to deliver the results of her mission to Lady Grey had come, Elizabeth Worthington found herself unable to do so, because she had fallen in love with her husband. Subsequently, Lady Grey and her minions intruded Worthington’s home, tried to retrieve the needed information forcefully without success, and left Worthington to die in the arms of his best friend, Captain Steven Rogers, alias “Captain America” (VIII). [See <i>X-Men: Hellfire Club #2</i>.]

Eighty years later, in 1859, the Inner Circle of the London Hellfire Club, among it men referred to as “Shaw” – later revealed to have been Sebastian Shaw’s great-grandfather – and “Braddock”, found itself in the situation to forge an uneasy alliance with the millennia-old mutant despot called Apocalypse, who needed them as pawns in his agenda to bring about his new era of the Survival of the Fittest. Although Apocalypse’s plans were ultimately foiled by Cyclops and Phoenix (IV), who had been transported back in time, it was later revealed that he had left his legacy sleeping in a chamber beneath the present London Hellfire Club Mansion, in the shape of one of his creatures, the so-called Harbinger of Apocalypse. [See <i>Further Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix #1-4</i> and <i>Cable #50</i>.]

In December 1915, Waltham Pierce and Harry Manners offered the young Lieutenant Esau Shaw membership in London’s Inner Circle. Before Esau was able to make up his mind, however, he was murdered in cold blood by his own brother, Jacob Shaw, who had been given the ability of shape-shifting by the man known as Nathaniel Essex, or Mister Sinister. When Jacob Shaw subsequently tried to kill Pierce as well, his attempt was thwarted by England’s national hero, the Union Jack. Later that month, Harry Manners, for reasons unknown, wanted to employ the power of the Harbinger of Apocalypse in order to destroy London, but Union Jack – who, in the shape of his alter ego Lord Montgomery Falsworth, had been unknowingly invited to the Club that very night by Manners himself – was present to prevent the Harbinger from being awakened, and Manners apparently died in the process, accidently being shot by one of his own men. [See <i>X-Men: Hellfire Club #3</i> and <i>Cable #50</i>.]

Recorded history of the Hellfire Club in the late 20th century begins with the first encounter of a sixteen year-old Emma Frost, who used her newly discovered telepathic powers to prey on the thoughts of the high society, and the ruthless advocate Harry Leland, both of whom should later belong to Sebastian Shaw’s Inner Circle as its White Queen and Black Bishop, respectively. [See <i>Generation X #-1</i>.]

When the Inner Circle of the New York Hellfire Club, then known as the Council of the Chosen, was ruled by the White King Edward Buckman and his White Queen, Paris Seville, the wealthy, self-made mutant industrialist Sebastian Shaw was introduced to both the Club and the Council as a probationary member. It was during this time that British special agent Elizabeth Braddock, who should later join the X-Men as Psylocke, received the mission to infiltrate the Hellfire Club, since her father, Sir James Braddock, had once been a Black Bishop of the London chapter’s Inner Circle. At Elizabeth’s first meeting with Sebastian Shaw and Sir Gordon Philips, Lord Imperial of the Hellfire Club, she was secretly approached and confronted by Shaw’s personal servant, Tessa, who, secretly acting as a spy for Professor X, convinced her to quit her assignment, because she would be but a toy to the Club’s rulers. [See <i>Excalibur (1st series) #96-97</i>, <i>X-Men: Hellfire Club #4</i>, and <i>X-Treme X-Men #3</i>.]

Meanwhile, unbeknownst to Shaw, who trusted the White King and regarded him as a friend, Edward Buckman hated Shaw and “his kind”, and intended to wipe homo sapiens superior off the face of the Earth. Thus, claiming that it was his aim to isolate the mutant “X-factor” gene for economic purposes, Buckman allied himself with Dr. Steven Lang, who was revamping the mutant-hunting robots called The Sentinels. When Frost and Leland, who had become two of Shaw’s confidants, were attacked by a Sentinel, however, and Shaw’s fiancé Lourdes Chantal, a mutant teleporter, was killed in the ensuing battle, Shaw vowed to take revenge on Buckman. Subsequently, while the X-Men were fighting Lang’s Sentinels, Shaw and his allies, Emma Frost, Harry Leland and Tessa, confronted Edward Buckman; After Frost had taken over Buckman’s mind and forced him to shoot his personal guard, his White Queen, and his entire Council of the Chosen, Shaw killed Buckman with his bare hands, and appointed himself the Black King of a new Inner Circle. Shortly after this coup d’état, Shaw sent an operative called Warhawk to fight the X-Men and secretly bug their home, preparing the schemes against Xavier’s mutants that should be put in motion in the coming months. Further, the Inner Circle was joined by two more members: The White Bishop Donald Pierce, a self-loathing hate-monger with mechanical body parts that granted him superhuman strength, and Jason Wyngarde, who was actually the X-Men’s old nemesis Mastermind. With his mutant ability to cast hypnotic illusions, and with the help of a device that enhanced his natural abilities, Wyngarde began to slowly but surely seduce the X-Men’s Phoenix (II), who was believed to be Jean Grey at the time. [See <i>X-Men: Hellfire Club #4</i>, <i>Classic X-Men #6-7</i> and <i>X-Men (1st series) #110, 125, 126</i>.]

Soon, with all the pieces in place, the Inner Circle’s first full-fledged campaign against the X-Men began: Being on a mission to establish “first contact” with the young mutant girl Kitty Pryde in Chicago, Professor X, Storm, Wolverine and Colossus were ambushed and overwhelmed by Emma Frost and a squad of mercenaries, while Pryde’s mutant ability to “phase” through solid objects allowed her to evade capture. Seeking out a second mutant, a singer calling herself “The Dazzler”, in a Manhattan nightclub, Cyclops, Nightcrawler and Phoenix (II) were attacked by Hellfire mercenaries as well shortly after, but managed to escape with Dazzler’s help. After rescuing Kitty Pryde from her pursuers, the three remaining X-Men and their two new allies tracked Emma Frost and their captive teammates to an industrial plant in Chicago. While Cyclops, Nightcrawler, Kitty and Dazzler fought the Hellfire Club’s henchmen and freed Xavier and the X-Men, Emma Frost herself was confronted by Phoenix. In the conflict that followed, the entire building was destroyed, and the White Queen was apparently killed by “Jean Grey”. [See <i>X-Men (1st series) #129-131</i>.]

One week after this initial confrontation, the X-Men entered a gala at the New York Hellfire Club in disguise, in order to learn more about their new enemies, not realizing that Sebastian Shaw and his allies were still monitoring their every move, and were quickly defeated by the Inner Circle. Although Wolverine secretly survived after Harry Leland believed to have drowned him in the sewers beneath the Club Mansion, the team not only ended up as prisoners of the Circle, but Mastermind’s manipulations finally paid off, as Phoenix (II) turned against her teammates and became the Inner Circle’s Black Queen. Seeing her beloved Cyclops almost die before her eyes in a duel with Mastermind on the psionic plane, however, the woman believed to be Jean Grey broke free of Wyngarde’s control. When Wolverine smashed into the room shortly after, the X-Men were freed, and the tide quickly turned against the Inner Circle. Although the X-Men were ultimately victorious, leaving Shaw, Pierce and Leland on the run, and Phoenix, taking revenge on Mastermind for his manipulations, ruthlessly made her tormentor’s mind “one with the universe”, thus shattering his sanity, the victory was a pyrrhic one; As soon as the dust had settled, the X-Men were blamed by the authorities for attacking the honorable Hellfire Club. Moreso, the repercussions of Wyngarde’s tampering with Phoenix’s mind proved to be disastrous: During the team’s escape from the scene in a skycraft, Phoenix could no longer withstand her dark side. Transformed into the being of pure cosmic hunger and evil known as Dark Phoenix, she subsequently consumed an entire sun in another galaxy, thereby creating a super-nova and killing billions of alien beings on a nearby planet. Meanwhile, Shaw and his Inner Circle were free to continue their schemes, albeit without Mastermind. [See <i>X-Men (1st series) #132-137</i>. Other sources: <i>Official Marvel Index to the X-Men (2nd series) #3</i>.]

In spite of his own traumatic experience with the mutant-hunting Sentinels, Shaw took first steps to turn these deadly robots into his instruments not long after the Inner Circle’s clash with the X-Men. Endorsed by United States Senator Robert Kelly, a friend of Shaw’s who had been a guest at the Hellfire Club when the Inner Circle’s fight with the X-Men occurred, and now regarded the mutants as dangerous terrorists, Shaw came into contact with the Avengers’ former government liaison, Agent Henry Peter Gyrich. Gyrich, with whom Shaw – as the honorable owner of Shaw Industries – worked closely after an initial meeting, was in charge of an anti-mutant task force dubbed Project: Wideawake, whose first priority was the resurrection of the Sentinels. [See <i>Uncanny X-Men #142</i>. Other sources: <i>Official Marvel Index to the X-Men (2nd series) #3</i>.]

Eager to take revenge on the X-Men, Shaw did not hesitate long before making use of the newly created Sentinels under his control; Emma Frost, believed-dead White Queen of the Lords Cardinal and headmistress of the Massachusetts Academy, where Kitty Pryde had been enrolled by her parents, secretly switched bodies with Storm, leaving her in a cell beneath the Academy. Soon, “Storm’s” treachery, combined with the distraction provided by an attack on Xavier’s School by Shaw’s new Sentinels, quickly overwhelmed the unsuspecting X-Men, and their home was invaded by Sebastian Shaw, his aide Tessa, Harry Leland, and a number of their Hellfire mercenaries. Once again, however, the Inner Circle’s victory did not last due to one of its members underestimation of their opponent’s potential, as Storm – in Frost’s body – managed to escape from the Massachusetts Academy along with Kitty, and they came to the rescue of their teammates. Additionally, the White Queen’s lack of control allowed her subconscious to generate a rogue storm outside the School, which resulted in Shaw being hit by a lightning bolt and could only be stopped by Storm, who was able to reverse the body-switch with Frost’s device. Seeing that Shaw was apparently severely injured, and that the rest of her allies were defeated and on the run, Frost agreed to a temporary truce between the Inner Circle and the X-Men, and re-transferred Kitty Pryde from Massachusetts to Westchester. [See <i>Uncanny X-Men #151-152</i>.]

In the months following this last concerted attack against the X-Men, the Inner Circle became entangled in the personal power struggles of its members; Donald Pierce, who had risen to the position of the White King, captured Professor X and tried to use Xavier’s vast telepathic abilities to usurp control of the Lords Cardinal. When his attempt was foiled by Shaw’s aide Tessa and Xavier’s latest students, the New Mutants, Pierce was expelled from the Circle [see <i>Marvel Graphic Novel #4</i>]. Shaw himself, having recovered from his injuries, began attempting to push the New Mutants towards the Hellfire Club’s own Massachusetts Academy shortly after, making use of his connections to Project: Wideawake and to fellow Club member Emmanuel DaCosta, the father of the New Mutants’ Sunspot [see <i>New Mutants #2, 7-8, 12</i>]. Meanwhile, White Queen Emma Frost, the Academy’s headmistress, suffered an attack by Jason Wyngarde, alias Mastermind, who sought revenge on the X-Men and the Inner Circle. Although Mastermind was later stopped once again by the X-Men, his psychic attack left Frost in a catatonic state for several weeks [see <i>Uncanny X-Men #169</i> and <i>Uncanny X-Men Annual #7</i>], before she was able to continue Shaw’s efforts, trying to recruit the New Mutants and Kitty Pryde for her own school, which ultimately failed [see <i>New Mutants #15-17</i>]. In the weeks following these events, Shaw recruited Emmanuel DaCosta, the ancient mutant sorceress Lady Selene and her high priest, the lycanthropic Friedrich von Roehm, into the Inner Circle, as its new White Rook, Black Queen and Black Rook, respectively [see <i>New Mutants #22-23</i> and <i>Uncanny X-Men #189</i>].

Soon after Selene had taken her place with the Lords Cardinal as their new Black Queen, her enmity with Rachel Summers, alias Phoenix (III), led to a clash between the Inner Circle and the X-Men in Central Park. This encounter proved to be the beginning of the downfall of Shaw’s Circle, as both groups were suddenly attacked with lethal force by Nimrod (II), an advanced Sentinel from the future, bent on eliminating all mutants on Earth. Although a truce between the mutants ultimately allowed them to defeat their mutual new enemy, both Harry Leland and Friedrich von Roehm lost their lives in the battle. [See <i>Uncanny X-Men #207-209</i>.]

In the face of such new threats as Nimrod, the Marauders or X-Factor (who appeared to the public as mutant hunters for hire at the time), both the Inner Circle and the X-Men realized that they had to overcome their hostility and forge an alliance in order to survive the coming power struggles, and the reformed Magneto – who had just inherited Charles Xavier’s place as a mentor and teacher of the New Mutants and the X-Men – accepted the Lords Cardinal’s offer to join them as their latest White King [see <i>Uncanny X-Men #210</i> and <i>New Mutants #51</i>]. While the alliance between the Hellfire Club and Xavier’s School lasted for several months and was beneficial to both parties during crises like the Evolutionary War and the Inferno [see <i>New Mutants Annual #4</i> and <i>New Mutants #71-73</i>], there were growing philosophical differences between Magneto and Sebastian Shaw, which ultimately resulted in the latter being deposed as the leader of the Lords Cardinal by Magnus, who now assumed the unique position of the “Grey King” [see <i>New Mutants #74-75</i>]. Still a prominent member of the Hellfire Club proper, Shaw then sought to rebuild his power base by returning to his government-funded Sentinel program, now dubbed Project: Nimrod [see <i>Uncanny X-Men #246-247</i> and <i>Amazing Spider-Man (1st series) #328-329</i>]. Magneto, however, withdrew from Hellfire Club business, beginning to slowly but surey become entangled in his own agendas again, and ultimately, having grown tired of the ongoing struggle for dominance among mutants and humans, left Earth entirely to seek refuge on his new sanctuary, Asteroid M [see <i>Amazing Spider-Man (1st series) #327</i>, <i>Captain America (1st series) #366-367</i>, <i>Avengers West Coast #53-57, 59</i> and <i>Uncanny X-Men #269, 274-275</i>].

The blow which brought the established Inner Circle down for good occurred when a group of ambitious and ruthless young mutants began their “Competition” for power and immortality. Assembled by the Black Queen herself, these so-called Upstarts took out the present and former members of the Lords Cardinal one by one: Shinobi Shaw, the illegitimate son of the former Black King, killed his father in Switzerland; the schemes of Fabian Cortez, the founder of a group of pseudo-religious mutant fanatics called the Acolytes, resulted in the destruction of Asteroid M, Magneto’s apparent death, and that of Cortez’ own fellow Acolytes; the advanced Sentinels of the time-traveling Trevor Fitzroy, a descendant of Shaw’s from the future, hunted down and eliminated Donald Pierce and his group of cyborg mercenaries called the Reavers in the Australian Outback, and severely injured the White Queen in New York shortly after, leaving her in a months-long coma, while Fitzroy himself killed all of Frost’s young students, the Hellions. Finally, Selene, having underestimated the Upstarts’ ruthlessness in her quest for power, fell victim to it herself, as Fitzoy trapped her in a futuristic torturing device, a so-called “spooling chamber”, where she was left for months. [See <i>X-Factor (1st series) #67</i>, <i>X-Men (2nd series) #1-3</i>, <i>Uncanny X-Men #281-283, 301</I>.]

It was Shinobi Shaw who then assumed his father’s mantle as the Black King of the Lors Cardinal. Unlike Sebastian’s leadership, however, Shinobi’s proved to be rather shortlived, and without much success: His attempts to recruit high-profile mutants like Archangel, Psylocke, Storm or Sunspot for his Inner Circle all failed and, though he ultimately forged an alliance with the External Candra and managed to assemble the mutants named Tessa, Benedict Kine, Benazir Kaur and Reeva Payge, Shinobi remained unable to establish a lasting power base. Instead, he kept becoming entangled in fruitless conflicts with the likes of X-Force, the New Warriors, Black Tom Cassidy, and even his own recruit, Benedict Kine. After learning that his father was apparently alive and looking for revenge, and in the face of Bastion’s Operation: Zero Tolerance’s rise to power, Shinobi, along with his version of the Inner Circle, disappeared from the map. [See <i>X-Men (2nd series) #29</i>, <i>X-Force #32-33</i>, <i>New Warriors (1st series) #45</i>, <i> X-Men (2nd series) Annual #3</i>, <i>Generation X Annual ‘95</i>, <i>Generation X #61</i> (flashback), <i>Spider-Man Team-Up #1</i>, <i>X-Man #22</i> and <i>X-Force #62</i>.]

While Shinobi Shaw was in charge of the New York Hellfire Club, he became aware of major events being set in motion by the Inner Circle of the Club’s London chapter. When Shinobi learned that Mountjoy, a mutant “body-jumper” from the future, was infiltrating London’s Inner Circle in the disguise of one of its members, he asked Brian Braddock, alias Captain Britain of Excalibur, to investigate the situation, which he described as a threat to both of them. Braddock then claimed the position of the Black Bishop, which had once been held by his father, Sir James Braddock. As it turned out shortly after, the ruling elite of the Club was looking to unleash an ancient demon referred to as the Devil Under London Town, who had been imprisoned in a vault beneath England’s capital ages ago, and make use of his vast magical powers. To achieve this goal, the Inner Circle had established ties to Sebastian Shaw, to the corrupt British intelligence organization Black Air, and even the British parliament. Additionally, several of the Inner Circle’s members followed their own agendas: Ms. Steed, the Club’s Black Queen, was an agent of the psionic entity called Onslaught (II); the woman only known as Scribe, the group’s record-keeper, turned out to be Mountjoy’s latest host; and the new Red Queen, a powerful sorceress, was revealed to be Margali Szardos, the step-mother of Excalibur’s leader Nightcrawler, and the wielder of the so-called Soulsword. Shortly before the Inner Circle could free the Devil, however, their plans were foiled by Excalibur, and both Black Air and the London Inner Circle were brought down temporarily. While Margali Szardos and the Circle’s Black King apparently died in the final fight, the rest of the group supposedly went to jail. The next time London’s Inner Circle was heard of was when Adrienne Frost, the sister of former New York White Queen Emma Frost, claimed to have been its White Queen. [See <i>Excalibur (1st series) #96-100</i> and <i>Generation X #56, 67-69</i>.]

During Shinobi Shaw and the London Inner Circle’s struggles for power, both the immortal Lady Selene and the believed-dead Sebastian Shaw prepared their return to the ruling class of the Hellfire Club. By manipulating Excalibur members Nightcrawler and Amanda Sefton (ak.a. Daytripper, a.k.a. Magik II), Selene managed to escape from Trevor Fitzroy’s “spooling chamber” after months of torture [see <i>Excalibur Annual #2</i>]. Soon, Selene became aware of the powerful young mutant called Madelyne Pryor (II), lured her away from her companion Nate Grey (a.k.a. X-Man), and turned her into her “apprentice” [see <i>X-Man #7, 13-16</i>]. After killing her fellow Externals Gideon, Saul, Crule and Absalom, adding their life energies to her own [see <i>X-Force #53-54</i>], Selene sent Madelyne to confront Fitzroy, her torturer. Although it first looked like the young girl was no match for Fitzroy’s futuristic battle suit, the fight finally forced Madelyne to tap into her vast powers, and Fitzroy became Selene’s latest minion [see <i>X-Man #17, 20</i>].

In the meantime, Sebastian Shaw had reappeared on an unidentified small island whose population had just been decimated by the otherworlder Holocaust (a.k.a. Nemesis), with whom Shaw now forged an alliance [see <i>X-Force #48</i>]. Along with his new ally, Shaw captured the members of X-Force, and – with the help of Tessa, who had once again become his aide – he brainwashed the young mutants and sent them against their former leader, Cable [see <i>X-Force #49-50</i>]. The attempt failed, however, and Shaw turned his attention to London, where he met the mutant called Scratch, Black Air’s liaison with the London Hellfire Club, and exchanged a magical artifact needed by the British Inner Circle for secret information [see <i>Excalibur #96</i>]. Back in the States, Shaw’s alliance with Holocaust came to a sudden and unexpected end, as his hideout was invaded by Onslaught himself, who defeated both Shaw and Tessa with a wave of his hand, and took Holocaust as an “emissary” [see <i>X-Man #15</i>].

Sebastian Shaw’s Inner Circle was finally rebuilt in New York City, when the Hellfire Club’s current elite had been in hiding for months due to dangers such as Onslaught, Operation: Zero Tolerance or the Legacy Virus; Shaw and Tessa were contacted by Selene, who wanted to regain her position as the Black Queen of the Lords Cardinal by offering Shaw Madelyne Pryor (II) and Trevor Fitzroy as the Inner Circle’s new Black and White Rooks, respectively. While he saw the time-traveling Fitzroy’s potential, Shaw was reluctant at first in regards to Pryor. In order to test her value, he pitched her against his own Red Rook – the woman known as Scribe, who still served as Mountjoy’s host, and had been bailed out of jail by Shaw after the London Inner Circle’s downfall. When Scribe/ Mountjoy was defeated by a relentless Pryor, Shaw finally accepted her as the Black Rook in his new Inner Circle, and Madelyne’s favor soon began to shift towards him, and away from Selene. [See <i>X-Man #21-23</i> and <i>X-Man Annual ‘96</i>.]

Not long after Madelyne Pryor’s introduction as the new Black Rook (II), Shaw regained his position as the Black King of the Inner Circle and moved his base of operations to the Hellfire Club’s Hong Kong chapter. In Hong Kong, he convinced Dr. Roderick Campbell, formerly of Excalibur, to provide him with research data on the terminal Legacy Virus. Campbell agreed to this deal because the Black King had apparently found a cure for the disease, in the shape of the so-called Elixir Vitae, a mythical potion which Shaw intended to use for economical purposes. However, Shaw’s plans failed when the Elixir was destroyed in a tug-of-war between himself, the Kingpin of Crime, the X-Men and the Master of Kung-Fu called Shang-Chi. In the meantime, after confrontations with her genetic counterpart Phoenix (IV), Nate Grey, and Cable, whose mother she believed to be at the time, Madelyne Pryor became Shaw’s lover, and ultimately his consort, much to the Shagrin of Selene, who still had not managed to regain the position of the Inner Circle’s Black Queen yet. After failing to appropiate a mutant powers neutralizer developed by a renegade wing of Worthington Industries, Shaw left Hong Kong for London, having been contacted by a mysterious man claiming to be from the future. [See <i>X-Man #24-25</i>, <i>Cable #44</i>, <i>X-Men (2nd series) #62-64</i>, <i>X-Man #28, 30</i> and <i>X-Men Unlimited #17</i>.]

The enigmatic man who had contacted the Black King turned out to be Ch’vayre, a time-traveling agent of the Clan Askani, an order of rebels against the rule of the immortal despot Apocalypse in a distant future. In order to catalyze the final confrontation between Apocalypse and the Clan’s unwilling champion, the mutant called Cable, Ch’vayre had promised Shaw to lead him to Apocalypse’s lair, thus offering him access to technology far advanced, and to immense power. Being busy with other affairs at the time, Shaw put the cyborg Donald Pierce, who had returned from his early “grave” and had been reinstated as the Inner Circle’s White Bishop by Shaw, in charge of the operation, which was dubbed the “Tomorrow Agenda”. Due to the interference of Cable and the reporter Irene Merryweather, the Tomorrow Agenda did not turn out as a success, however; Although Shaw managed to release the Harbinger of Apocalypse in London, the destructive creature proved indomitable, and Apocalypse himself had long left his mountain hideout in Switzerland Ch’vayre had led Shaw and Pierce to. Having been tracked down by Cable, and facing the base’s self-destruction, Shaw fled the scene, leaving Pierce behind in the Swiss Alpes, while Ch’vayre had been trapped in one of Apocalypse’s stasis capsules. [See <i>Cable #48-53</i>.]

Not long after the failure of the Tomorrow Agenda, Sebastian Shaw, residing in a Hellfire Club Mansion in Venice, Italy, was contacted and handed a secret message by an unidentified being capable of stopping time itself, only referred to as “wraith”. Although Trevor Fitzroy had apparently become a member of Shaw’s Inner Circle, the Black King was facing rivalries within the group, and thus he told the mysterious “wraith” that he would “accept” his offer and “do it” shortly after at the Hellfire Club’s New Year’s gala in Rio de Janeiro. Telling Shaw that this was his only choice, that his world ended and his life began that day, the “wraith” disappeared [see <i>X-Men (2nd series) #71, 73</i>]. Following this episode, Shaw, along with Tessa, indulged in two minor operations, one involving Machine Man, Henry Peter Gyrich and the Sentinels [see <i>X-51 #0, 1-7</i>], the other addressing Irene Merryweather’s continued investigation of Hellfire Club affairs [see <i>X-Men: Hellfire Club #1-4</i>], before apparently quitting the position of the Black King once again, withdrawing from the Inner Circle and going into hiding. While Tessa resurfaced as a member of the X-Men months later, revealing that she had been a spy in Charles Xavier’s service all along [see <i>X-Men (2nd series) #103</i>], Shaw’s plans at that point, as well as the “wraith”’s identity or the significance of the alliance forged between the two on New Year’s Eve, remained a mystery.

In the light of Shaw’s withdrawal, and with detractors Fitzroy, Pryor, Tessa and Pierce out of the way as well, who had all been following their own agendas, Selene finally reinstated herself as the Inner Circle’s Black Queen and took control of the Hellfire Club, introducing the demon Blackheart, son of Mephisto, as the Inner Circle’s new Black King. Although Selene’s attempt to bring Blackheart to Earth’s dimension failed due to the combined efforts of the Fantastic Four, the Shadow Hunters and Daimon Hellstrom, and resulted in Hellstrom becoming the new White King of the Lords Cardinal in order to keep Blackheart confined to a pocket dimension beneath the New York Hellfire Club Mansion, the new Black royalty continued to expand its influence; By offering Roberto DaCosta, alias X-Force’s Sunspot, to bring his girlfriend Juliana back from the dead, they manipulated the young mutant into accepting his father’s heritage and joining their ranks as a Black Rook. [See <i>Fantastic Four Annual ‘99</i> and <i>X-Force #94, 96-99</i>.]

Since this latest change of the guard, nothing has been seen or heard of the New York Inner Circle’s activities, and it remains unknown if a London Inner Circle is currently in existence. The most recent known affairs involving the Hellfire Club include a team of X-Men intruding the Hong Kong chapter’s Mansion in search of the group of mercenaries called the Crimson Pirates [see <i>X-Men (2nd series) #104</i>], the Club’s longtime Lord Imperial, Sir Gordon Philips, being murdered by Mystique and her Brotherhood of Mutants (III) [see <i>Uncanny X-Men #388</i>], or former Black King Sebastian Shaw’s lobbying for the Club at a party by media tycoon Tiberius Stone [see <i>Iron Man (3rd series) #37</i>]. The circumstances of his retirement of the Inner Circle still unrevealed, Shaw, with his new ally Lady Mastermind, was also encountered by Storm’s group of renegade X-Men (IV) in Australia, where he attempted to take revenge on Tessa, alias Sage, for her betrayal, and to establish himself as a major force in Sydney’s crime scene [see <i>X-Treme X-Men #5-9</i>].

A Hellfire Club satellite office in Manhattan was publicly attacked by a creature called the Skornn who fed upon mutant life-force. The Skornn massacred several young mutants enjoying a formal dance at the club until his rampage was put to an end by Cable and his allies [see <i>X-Force (2nd series) #5</i>].

APPEARANCES:
Amazing Spider-Man (1st series) #328, 329
Astonishing X-Men (3rd series) #12
Beast #1
Cable #48-53
Captain America (1st series) #369
Classic X-Men #6, 7, 34
Excalibur (1st series) #9, 96-100
Fantastic Four Annual ‘99
Firestar #1-4
Further Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix #2, 3
Generation X #-1, 40, 56, 61, 67-69
Generation X Annual ‘95
Iron Man (3rd series) #37
Marvel Graphic Novel #4
Marvel Super-Heroes (3rd series) #11
New Mutants (1st series) #2, 7, 8, 12, 15-17, 22, 23, 51, 53, 54, 56, 61, 62, 69-71, 73-75
New Mutants (1st series) Annual #4
New Warriors (1st series) #45
Peter Parker: Spider-Man (1st series) #94
Spider-Man: Spirits of the Earth
Spider-Man Team-Up #1
Uncanny X-Men #151, 152, 169, 180, 182, 184, 189, 207-210, 219, 246, 247, 281-283, 388
Uncanny X-Men Annual #7
Weapon X (2nd series) #19
X-51 #0, 1-7
X-Factor #67
X-Force (1st series) #32, 33, 62, 75, 94, 96-99
X-Force (2nd series) #5
X-Man #21-25, 28, 30
X-Man Annual ‘96
X-Men (1st series) #125, 126, 129-135
X-Men (2nd series) #29, 63, 64, 71, 73, 103, 104
X-Men (2nd series) Annual #3
X-Men: Deadly Genesis #5
X-Men: Hellfire Club #1-4
X-Men Unlimited (1st series) #17, 33
X-Treme X-Men #3

OTHER SOURCES:
Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe: Master Edition #28
Official Marvel Index to the X-Men (2nd series) #3
Peterson, Brandon. <i>Ultimate X-Men</i>, New York: Dorling Kindersley Publishing, Inc., 2000.
Thanks to Hatebreed (http://x-mencomics.com/xfan/forums/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=1728) for his research help on Adrienne Frost and Bianca LaNeige

M.O. Frisch
May 29, 2002, 01:17 pm
Detailed biography soon to follow!

In the meantime, if you have any questions, additions, suggestions or corrections regarding the sometimes very confusing history of the Hellfire Club so far, feel free to fire away.

--Marc

Eric J. Moreels
May 29, 2002, 01:49 pm
Very, very, very cool summary! :yes:

Thanks MO! :)

shibia
May 29, 2002, 01:58 pm
Will it be a special thread for alternative versions ou organisation
(MutantX Hellfire club for example) ?

M.O. Frisch
May 29, 2002, 02:02 pm
Originally posted by X-Fan
Very, very, very cool summary! :yes:


Glad you like it, sir.

(Sorry about the double-post earlier. I thought the first one hadn't gone through.)

--Marc

Mesran
May 29, 2002, 02:05 pm
Detailed biography soon to follow!

Sheesh!

It aint detailed enough? :p

Just something I'm curious about...when was Hellstorm seen as the White King?

Anyways nice profile ;)

Chris Eight
May 29, 2002, 04:48 pm
very cool :D

shibia
May 30, 2002, 10:02 am
Will the alternative version of the Hell fire Club be mention in this post or in another section ?

Mesran
May 30, 2002, 10:12 am
What alternative version of the HC are you refering to? ;)

shibia
May 30, 2002, 10:16 am
Sorry, I forgot the plural. I wanted to know if alternative roasters of the hellfire club, or other teams going into this database, would be listed in the same post or if they'll have their own part (Maybe inside the alternative universe they belong to). For example, the Muntat X Hellfire Club.

Mesran
May 30, 2002, 10:17 am
Ahh, in that case, they'd have seperate listings of their own.

shibia
May 30, 2002, 10:18 am
Ok thanks.

M.O. Frisch
May 30, 2002, 04:40 pm
Originally posted by shibia
Will the alternative version of the Hell fire Club be mention in this post or in another section ?

Maybe I'll make short mention of the version seen in BISHOP: THE LAST X-MAN (...and I also seem to remember one in the BISHOP: XSE series) once the actual bio is finished, since these timelines don't have separate forums. However, since those are just alternative future timelines, these Hellfire Clubs won't be part of the "official" statistics.

--Marc

stormwatch
Jun 1, 2002, 07:05 pm
Gorgon Zola, I know you have more to put in, but how so was Sinister in this as well? As an ally I mean. Has he been using them in the the MU timeline as opposed to the in the Further Adventures of Cyclops and Pheonix?

Otherwise, nice description on the club.

M.O. Frisch
Jun 1, 2002, 08:41 pm
Originally posted by stormwatch82
Gorgon Zola, I know you have more to put in, but how so was Sinister in this as well? As an ally I mean. Has he been using them in the the MU timeline as opposed to the in the Further Adventures of Cyclops and Pheonix?


Well, the FURTHER ADVENTURES OF CYCLOPS AND PHOENIX series is considered canon, and an official part of the "mainstream" Marvel Universe. In the story, which tells Sinister's origin, Nathaniel Essex (alias Mr. Sinister) introduces Apocalypse to the London Hellfire Club, before changing his mind and helping Cyclops and Jean to defeat the bad guy.

Originally posted by stormwatch82
Otherwise, nice description on the club.

Thanks!

--Marc

stormwatch
Jun 1, 2002, 09:13 pm
Okay, thank you for the info Marc.

doctorx
Jun 13, 2002, 02:11 am
1. Was Selene ever a lover of Sebastian Shaw? I don't recall romantic interaction, but i think she was mentioned as his "consort" a few times..

2. Was Tessa a lover of Sebastian Shaw? I don't recall romantic interaction either , but i think she was mentioned as his "leman" a few times..

3. Why didn't Tessa warn Professor X about the bug Warhawk had planted or the Club's intentions?

4. Why didn't Tessa try to prevent Phoenix's "seduction"

Monolith
Jun 13, 2002, 02:26 am
1-2. No. Selene and Shaw despised each other and Tessa (apparently) maintained a solely business-like relationship with Shaw.

3-4. The curse of a bad retcon. It DOESN'T make sense, but it's out there now so we just have to roll our eyes and ignore all the inconsistencies created by CC's actions.

Peter Luzifer
Jun 13, 2002, 02:32 am
Originally posted by doctorx

4. Why didn't Tessa try to prevent Phoenix's "seduction"


A flashback in X-Treme X-Men #3 shows that Tessa prevented Psylocke from getting entangled with the Hellfire Club early on, and she regrets that she could not do the same for Phoenix later.

I'd say the best answer for both the Warhawk bug and the Phoenix situation is that Tessa did not know of these plans until it was too late. Also if she had to eb careful to not spoil her cover - if only she, Emma and Shaw know of a plan and the information is leaked out, they would soon know who was responsible.

Peter Luzifer

melt
Jun 15, 2002, 05:37 am
Mr. Frisch will ya put a pic of the hellfire club?

Mesran
Jun 15, 2002, 05:53 am
Hey Marc I have a pretty "ok" pic of the HC Insignia.

Also Bianca LaNiege was a member as told in Gen X.

M.O. Frisch
Jun 15, 2002, 09:56 am
Just added more stuff and made some corrections.

As I recently realized, the Inner Circle also appeared in FIRESTAR #1 and MARVEL SUPER-HEROES vol. 3 #11, both of which I don't have, so any help as to what occurred in these issues would be appreciated.

Originally posted by SMASH!
Hey Marc I have a pretty "ok" pic of the HC Insignia.


Sounds cool-- feel free to edit it in.

Originally posted by SMASH!
Also Bianca LaNiege was a member as told in Gen X.

Ah, I'm going to check. Thanks!

--Marc

doctorx
Jun 18, 2002, 12:41 am
I'd say the best answer for both the Warhawk bug and the Phoenix situation is that Tessa did not know of these plans until it was too late. Also if she had to eb careful to not spoil her cover - if only she, Emma and Shaw know of a plan and the information is leaked out, they would soon know who was responsible.

Intresting Theory. I think she should have made some warning at least to the Professor to be careful. (but then he would probably want more info)


1-2. No. Selene and Shaw despised each other and Tessa (apparently) maintained a solely business-like relationship with Shaw.

Thanks Monolith! In case you're intrested, i think Selene is called his consort in Uncanny 210, and Tessa is called a leman in New Mutants 53 or 54 and Uncanny 208

Monolith
Jun 18, 2002, 01:48 am
Originally posted by doctorx
Intresting Theory. I think she should have made some warning at least to the Professor to be careful. (but then he would probably want more info)

Of course, there's always the fact that Xavier had no knowledge of the Hellfire Club or its Inner Circle prior to UXM #131-2. Tessa should've at least been able to tell him where she and Shaw were located, and even then Shaw's membership in the club is public knowledge, so if Xavier WAS interested in keeping tabs on Shaw, he would've known of the Club before its first attack on the X-Men. Like I said, the facts don't fit for this retcon.

Thanks Monolith! In case you're intrested, i think Selene is called his consort in Uncanny 210, and Tessa is called a leman in New Mutants 53 or 54 and Uncanny 208

I checked out the UXM references, and given the speakers--Selene for leman and Magneto for consort--the remarks were more than likely made as derogitory comments.

Mesran
Jun 18, 2002, 01:54 am
Originally posted by SMASH!

Also Bianca LaNiege was a member as told in Gen X.

Also Adrienne Frost had dealings with the London Hellfire Club, she also called herself "White Queen" though this was just to tick Emma off it had nothing to do with the London HC.

M.O. Frisch
Jun 18, 2002, 02:58 pm
Do you have an issue number for the Bianca LaNeige/ Hellfire Club connection, SMASH?

I checked GENERATION X #42-44, but I didn't find any reference to the HC. Did I miss it, or is it mentioned somewhere else?

--Marc

Mesran
Jun 18, 2002, 03:11 pm
Generation X #40 ;)

Page 28, Panel 3.

Quote:

"...my former compatriot from the Hellfire Club, Emma Frost!"

Ares
Jun 19, 2002, 01:27 am
Why did you say that Sunspot is the Black Rook III? I thought He was Black Rook II. Also Why did you say that Edward Buckman and Paris Seville were White King and Queen II? Weren't they the first known White King and Queen?

M.O. Frisch
Jun 19, 2002, 02:27 pm
Originally posted by SMASH!
Generation X #40 ;)


Figures. :crazy:

Thanks! :)

Originally posted by Ares
Why did you say that Sunspot is the Black Rook III? I thought He was Black Rook II.

As the biography says, Black Rook I was Friedrich von Roehm, and Black Rook II was Queen Maddie (alias Madelyne Pryor II).

Roberto DaCosta was the third character seen using the title.

Originally posted by Ares
Also Why did you say that Edward Buckman and Paris Seville were White King and Queen II? Weren't they the first known White King and Queen?

Chronologically, yes, but for practical purposes, the X-Fan bios number characters according to their first appearance, which means that Emma Frost, who appeared as the White Queen in X-MEN #129, and Donald Pierce, who supposedly became the White King sometime prior to MARVEL GRAPHIC NOVEL #4, are White Queen I and White King I, while Paris Seville and Edward Buckman, who didn't appear until new pages and backup stories were added to Claremont's early issues in CLASSIC X-MEN several years later, are White Queen II and White King II.

--Marc

Ares
Jun 22, 2002, 05:03 pm
Originally posted by M.O. Frisch
As the biography says, Black Rook I was Friedrich von Roehm, and Black Rook II was Queen Maddie (alias Madelyne Pryor II).

Roberto DaCosta was the third character seen using the title.
Oh. I cannot believe I forgot about Madelyne. Sorry about that.

Originally posted by M.O. Frisch
Chronologically, yes, but for practical purposes, the X-Fan bios number characters according to their first appearance, which means that Emma Frost, who appeared as the White Queen in X-MEN #129, and Donald Pierce, who supposedly became the White King sometime prior to MARVEL GRAPHIC NOVEL #4, are White Queen I and White King I, while Paris Seville and Edward Buckman, who didn't appear until new pages and backup stories were added to Claremont's early issues in CLASSIC X-MEN several years later, are White Queen II and White King II.

--Marc
Well, if that is how you want to number the characters, that's fine. However, I think it would be better to number the character titles chronologically. That's just my opinion.

Monolith
Jun 22, 2002, 07:04 pm
There's a discussion thread about first appearance vs. chronology on the first page of Resources, Ares. Feel free to promote the chronological method there, since I didn't have much help arguing for it earlier. :)

Ares
Jun 30, 2002, 12:08 am
Originally posted by Monolith
There's a discussion thread about first appearance vs. chronology on the first page of Resources, Ares. Feel free to promote the chronological method there, since I didn't have much help arguing for it earlier. :)
Working on it!

M.O. Frisch, some of the text here contradicts the information X-Fan has put up in the character bios. I think you two need to talk about it so you guys can fix the problem.

M.O. Frisch
Jul 5, 2002, 11:23 am
Originally posted by SMASH!

Just something I'm curious about...when was Hellstorm seen as the White King?


Sorry I didn't notice your question earlier-- It was in FANTASTIC FOUR 1999.

Originally posted by Ares

M.O. Frisch, some of the text here contradicts the information X-Fan has put up in the character bios. I think you two need to talk about it so you guys can fix the problem.

Well, I'm pointing out mistakes and contradictions where I see them, but if you find anything specific which is wrong and hasn't been addressed yet, any pointers would be appreciated.

--Marc

Ares
Jul 5, 2002, 11:36 pm
Alright, I'll help where I can.

M.O. Frisch
Jul 10, 2002, 05:51 am
Here are some corrections (I tried to edit the biography, but it says I've "timed out", so perhaps any of the moderators can replace the updated sections):

Known Former Members (Inner Circle, London): Duncan Munro (1760s); Sir Patrick Clemens (late 1700s), Lady Diana Knight (late 1700s); Lord Braddock (1859), Shaw (1859), Franz (1859); Waltham Pierce (1915), Harry Manners (1915); Sir James Braddock [presumed Black Bishop II]; Red King, Margali Szardos [Red Queen], Scribe [sharing her body with the mutant known as Mountjoy], Black King III, Red Bishop, Ms. Steed , Brian Braddock [Black Bishop III; a.k.a. Captain Britain], Adrienne Frost [presumed, White Queen IV], Sir Gordon Philips [Lord Imperial]

[b]Known Former Members (Club As a Whole): Major-General Wallace Worthington (1780) [presumed], Captain Steven Rogers (1780) [presumed; a.k.a. Captain America VII], Heinrich Zemo (1915) [presumed], Zemo (1915) [presumed], Lourdes Chantal [presumed], Howard Stark, Warren Worthington, Jr., John Braddock, Candace Southern, Bianca LaNeige, Elizabeth Braddock [a.k.a. Psylocke]


APPEARANCES:
Amazing Spider-Man (1st series) #327-329
Cable #48-53
Captain America (1st series) #369
Classic X-Men #6-7, 34
Excalibur (1st series) #9, 96-100
Fantastic Four Annual ‘99
Firestar #1
Further Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix #2-3
Generation X #-1, 40, 67-69
Generation X Annual ‘95
Iron Man (3rd series) #37
Marvel Graphic Novel #4
Marvel Super-Heroes (3rd series) #11
New Mutants #2, 7, 8, 12, 15-17, 22-23, 51, 53-54, 62, 74
New Mutants Annual #4
New Warriors (1st series) #45-46
Peter Parker: Spider-Man (1st series) #94
Spider-Man: Spirits of the Earth
Spider-Man Team-Up #1
Uncanny X-Men #151-152, 169, 180-184, 189-191, 207-210, 219, 246-247, 281-283, 388
Uncanny X-Men Annual #7
X-Factor #67
X-51: The Machine Man #0, 1-7
X-Force #32-33, 94, 96-99
X-Man #21-25, 28
X-Man Annual ‘96
X-Men (1st series) #125-126, 129-135
X-Men (2nd series) #29, 63-64, 71, 73, 104
X-Men (2nd series) Annual #3
X-Men: The Hellfire Club #1-4
X-Men Unlimited #17
X-Treme X-Men #3, 6-9


Perhaps you could add a thanks to SMASH! for his research help on Adrienne Frost and Bianca LaNeige, who I'd missed.

--Marc

Ares
Jul 11, 2002, 02:18 am
Why is Scribe mentioned under Known Former Members (Inner Circle/ Council of the Chosen/ Lords Cardinal, New York)? She was a member of the London Hellfire Club's Inner Circle.

Monolith
Jul 11, 2002, 02:24 am
Sebastian Shaw introduced her as "his" Red Rook in X-Man #23 before her bout with Madelyne. That's probably where.

Ares
Jul 11, 2002, 03:00 am
Originally posted by Monolith
Sebastian Shaw introduced her as &quot;his&quot; Red Rook in X-Man #23 before her bout with Madelyne. That's probably where.
Sebastian Shaw didn't introduce Scribe as "his" Red Rook.

Monolith
Jul 11, 2002, 04:46 am
Originally posted by Ares
Sebastian Shaw didn't introduce Scribe as &quot;his&quot; Red Rook.

Yes, he did. It's right there in the comic. Maddie fought for Selene, Scribe/Mountjoy--the established Rook--fought for Shaw. He voiced their affiliation and was clearly and obviously the backer from Scribe in the bout.

Ares
Jul 12, 2002, 08:13 pm
Originally posted by Monolith
Yes, he did. It's right there in the comic. Maddie fought for Selene, Scribe/Mountjoy--the established Rook--fought for Shaw. He voiced their affiliation and was clearly and obviously the backer from Scribe in the bout.
I read that part over many times, and I still don't see where Shaw calls her his rook. Selene said, "poor, pale rook of yours doesn't look like she has a drop of life in her, Shaw." However, that doesn't mean that Scribe belongs under the New York Hellfire Club. It should be removed.

Mesran
Jul 13, 2002, 01:36 am
Yeah, I believe she was setup at the London HC, though there is no proof so far that she was a part of the New York HC.

M.O. Frisch
Jul 13, 2002, 04:38 pm
Originally posted by Ares

I read that part over many times, and I still don't see where Shaw calls her his rook. Selene said, &quot;poor, pale rook of yours doesn't look like she has a drop of life in her, Shaw.&quot; However, that doesn't mean that Scribe belongs under the New York Hellfire Club. It should be removed.

"Her name is MADELYNE PRYOR... and she will be Black Rook of the infamous INNER CIRCLE. [...] The other woman's name is SCRIBE. And she is Red Rook by right already. The Circle itself is only now reforming. At its center, always, powermonger SEBASTIAN SHAW..."

This text, as given in the caption boxes of X-MAN #23, firmly places Scribe in Shaw's newly reforming Inner Circle of New York, even though she is replaced by Madelyne Pryor shortly after.

Besides, you also have to consider that the London Inner Circle didn't even exist at that time, having just been brought down in EXCALIBUR #100.

--Marc

Ares
Jul 13, 2002, 07:12 pm
Originally posted by M.O. Frisch
&quot;Her name is MADELYNE PRYOR... and she will be Black Rook of the infamous INNER CIRCLE. [...] The other woman's name is SCRIBE. And she is Red Rook by right already. The Circle itself is only now reforming. At its center, always, powermonger SEBASTIAN SHAW...&quot;

This text, as given in the caption boxes of X-MAN #23, firmly places Scribe in Shaw's newly reforming Inner Circle of New York, even though she is replaced by Madelyne Pryor shortly after.

Besides, you also have to consider that the London Inner Circle didn't even exist at that time, having just been brought down in EXCALIBUR #100.

--Marc
The color red is not in the New York Inner Circle. Sebastian Shaw freed Scribe from jail and used her to test Madelyne Pryor. Scribe still belonged to London's Inner Circle, and she held the title of Red Rook for London even though it is currently broken up at this time.

atxbomber
Jul 13, 2002, 07:23 pm
Originally posted by M.O. Frisch
so perhaps any of the moderators can replace the updated sections):

Ok, done :)

Monolith
Jul 13, 2002, 07:44 pm
Originally posted by Ares
The color red is not in the New York Inner Circle. Sebastian Shaw freed Scribe from jail and used her to test Madelyne Pryor. Scribe still belonged to London's Inner Circle, and she held the title of Red Rook for London even though it is currently broken up at this time.

Consider, though, that at the time Shaw's Inner Circle had no ties to ANY of the Hellfire Clubs. Shaw and Selene brought their people together to create an Inner Circle as a separate entity from the Hellfire Club. They apparently kicked Shinobi and his crew out of the official Inner Circle BTS, but at the time when Scribe was present there was no specific set of colors they needed to follow by tradition. A general Inner Circle such as this wouldn't need to abide by the colors of individual Hellfire Clubs, and so Black, White, OR Red Rooks could be present.

Ares
Jul 13, 2002, 08:09 pm
However, I think Scribe went with Sebastian Shaw, but represented the London chapter. She must have agreed to fight Madelyne if Shaw freed her. Although, I don't see how that makes her part of his circle.

M.O. Frisch
Jul 14, 2002, 06:50 pm
Originally posted by Ares

The color red is not in the New York Inner Circle.

Neither were the "Lords Cardinal", or the Grey King, until they were introduced by Shaw and Magnus, respectively, so I wouldn't count this as evidence; the colors in Shaw's new Inner Circle weren't any others than Shaw wanted them to be, whether it's Black, White, Red or Purple.

Originally posted by Ares

Sebastian Shaw freed Scribe from jail and used her to test Madelyne Pryor. Scribe still belonged to London's Inner Circle, and she held the title of Red Rook for London even though it is currently broken up at this time.

That's merely speculation, though. In the actual comic, it's just said that this is Shaw's new Inner Circle, which is just forming, and that Scribe is his Red Rook, so I took it that she was simply challenged for her Rook position in the new Inner Circle by Madelyne Pryor.

Originally posted by Travis

Ok, done :)

Thanks!

--Marc

Ares
Jul 14, 2002, 11:11 pm
Originally posted by M.O. Frisch
That's merely speculation, though. In the actual comic, it's just said that this is Shaw's new Inner Circle, which is just forming, and that Scribe is his Red Rook, so I took it that she was simply challenged for her Rook position in the new Inner Circle by Madelyne Pryor.
Your theory is speculation as well. It never said that Scribe was the Red Rook of the Inner Circle. It just said that it was Shaw's Rook, which I took to mean that she was just a borrowed to test Madelyne.

Monolith
Jul 15, 2002, 12:36 am
Originally posted by Ares
Your theory is speculation as well. It never said that Scribe was the Red Rook of the Inner Circle. It just said that it was Shaw's Rook, which I took to mean that she was just a borrowed to test Madelyne.

But if Shaw wasn't affiliated with an official Hellfire Club or Inner Circle at the time(and he wasn't), how could he have "borrowed" her?

Ares
Jul 15, 2002, 12:42 am
Originally posted by Monolith
But if Shaw wasn't affiliated with an official Hellfire Club or Inner Circle at the time(and he wasn't), how could he have &quot;borrowed&quot; her?
As a theory, Sebastian Shaw could have made a deal to free Scribe if she would test Madelyne Pryor. Once she did her job, she was free to go back to the London Inner Circle.

M.O. Frisch
Jul 15, 2002, 12:11 pm
Originally posted by Ares

Your theory is speculation as well. It never said that Scribe was the Red Rook of the Inner Circle. It just said that it was Shaw's Rook, which I took to mean that she was just a borrowed to test Madelyne.

I don't see that. It would be extremely misleading to mention "Shaw's Inner Circle" and "Shaw's Red Rook" if that Red Rook wasn't indeed a PART of that Inner Circle, and there's no mention of any deal or arrangement of that sort between Shaw and Scribe whatsoever.

--Marc

Ares
Jul 15, 2002, 09:46 pm
Originally posted by M.O. Frisch
I don't see that. It would be extremely misleading to mention &quot;Shaw's Inner Circle&quot; and &quot;Shaw's Red Rook&quot; if that Red Rook wasn't indeed a PART of that Inner Circle, and there's no mention of any deal or arrangement of that sort between Shaw and Scribe whatsoever.

--Marc
Well, first of all, the fact that she is the Red Rook and she came from the London Inner Circle where we know they have a red court instead of a white is my first clue that she doesn't belong to this Inner Circle. Secondly, it was never flat out said she was part of Shaw's group. The writer specifically had Selene say Shaw's Rook instead of writing that she part of his Inner Circle like the other members were mentioned.

M.O. Frisch
Jul 16, 2002, 01:19 pm
Originally posted by Ares

Well, first of all, the fact that she is the Red Rook and she came from the London Inner Circle where we know they have a red court instead of a white is my first clue that she doesn't belong to this Inner Circle.

That's been addressed earlier already. It doesn't really mean, let alone prove, anything.

Originally posted by Ares

The writer specifically had Selene say Shaw's Rook instead of writing that she part of his Inner Circle like the other members were mentioned.

As I said above, the text states that it's "Shaw's Inner Circle" and that she's "Shaw's Rook", so it's a clear case to me, since she wouldn't be "Shaw's Rook" if she wasn't a part of "Shaw's Inner Circle". Besides, Kavanagh didn't flat-out refer to any characters as members in the way you claim. He mentions "Shaw's Inner Circle" and says that Selene is "the former Black Queen", with Madelyne and Fitzroy being her "Black" and "White Rooks", respectively, and that's all.

All your theory is based on is further speculation, saying that Shaw may have made a deal with Scribe, for which there's no evidence either.

--Marc

Ares
Jul 16, 2002, 10:39 pm
Originally posted by M.O. Frisch
That's been addressed earlier already. It doesn't really mean, let alone prove, anything.
It still stands as a reason as far as I'm concerened. Why would there be three colors in this Inner Circle? It was never like that in the past, so why now? Especially if it wasn't mentioned directly. I don't buy Monolith's explantion for the reason a Red Rook could be in the New York Inner Circle. It's just a theory, so I suppose we can rule it out.

Originally posted by M.O. Frisch
As I said above, the text states that it's &quot;Shaw's Inner Circle&quot; and that she's &quot;Shaw's Rook&quot;, so it's a clear case to me, since she wouldn't be &quot;Shaw's Rook&quot; if she wasn't a part of &quot;Shaw's Inner Circle&quot;. Besides, Kavanagh didn't flat-out refer to any characters as members in the way you claim. He mentions &quot;Shaw's Inner Circle&quot; and says that Selene is &quot;the former Black Queen&quot;, with Madelyne and Fitzroy being her &quot;Black&quot; and &quot;White Rooks&quot;, respectively, and that's all.

All your theory is based on is further speculation, saying that Shaw may have made a deal with Scribe, for which there's no evidence either.

--Marc
Yes, Kavanagh flat out refer to the other members of the Hellfire Club as being part of the Inner Circle. He said in a word box, "the Inner Circle itselfis only now reforming." He then went on to introduce the members. Scribe was not said to be a member of this Inner Circle for a reason. She wasn't part of it.

My theory goes into further speculation, because I have to explain and give examples in hopes to convince you. If you read the issue very carefully, you'll see it says that Madelyne will soon be the Black Rook of the "Inner Circle." At the center of the "Inner Circle" is Sebastian Shaw, the Black King, and Selene seeking the rank of the Black Queen. Selene consort is Trevor Fitzroy. No where does it call Scribe the Red Rook of the Inner Circle.

M.O. Frisch
Jul 19, 2002, 10:21 am
Originally posted by Ares

It still stands as a reason as far as I'm concerened. Why would there be three colors in this Inner Circle?

There are only two: Black and Red.

The only characters who are a part of Shaw's new Inner Circle in X-MAN #21-25 and #28 are Shaw himself (Black King), Tessa (Shaw's aide; no position, as usual), Scribe ("Shaw's Red Rook"), and Madelyne ("Our newest Rook").

Fitzroyn and Madelyne are referred to as White and Black Rook by Selene in #22, but Madelyne is only accepted into this Inner Circle by Shaw in #23, and Fitzroy doesn't join until some time prior to X-MEN #73; And Selene herself is still referred to as "the former Black Queen" in #28, so she isn't part of the Inner Circle either at this point, and doesn't return until some time prior to FANTASTIC FOUR 1999, at which point Shaw apparently isn't a part of the Circle anymore.

Kavanagh may not really have had a clear idea there himself in regards to how he wanted his Inner Circle to look, but these are the facts which can be derived fom what is written, anyway.

Originally posted by Ares

Yes, Kavanagh flat out refer to the other members of the Hellfire Club as being part of the Inner Circle.

Nope, he really doesn't.

--Marc

Mesran
Jul 19, 2002, 10:52 am
Marc, some questions...

Anthony Stark [a.k.a. Iron Man], Norman Osborn [a.k.a. Green Goblin]

Where were these two confirmed? I remember seeing them at Shaw's party and Stark's father was a member, though I don't recall either being members.

Ororo Munroe [symbolic member only; White King III w/ Magnus; a.k.a. Storm]

Does she really need to be added? Symbolic member?

Captain Steven Rogers (1780) [presumed; a.k.a. Captain America VII], Heinrich Zemo (1915) [presumed], Zemo (1915) [presumed], Lourdes Chantal [presumed],

Captain Rogers is doubtful, also with the Zemo's. Lourdes was against what the Club stood for so it's unlikely she joined either.

Candace Southern

When did she join?

Monolith
Jul 19, 2002, 02:55 pm
Storm and Magneto assumed joint custody of the White King position in New Mutants #50. She just became a lot less active in Club affairs when she "died". Candy Southern was mentioned as a member by Angel way back in UXM #132.

M.O. Frisch
Jul 20, 2002, 03:02 pm
Originally posted by SMASH!

Where were these two confirmed? I remember seeing them at Shaw's party and Stark's father was a member, though I don't recall either being members.


Both Stark and Osborn were seen at a Hellfire Club New Year's party in X-MEN vol. 2 #73, where Osborn wore one of the usual "medieval" type costumes that are characteristic for Club members. Stark didn't wear such a costume, but his "chat" with Shaw in IRON MAN vol. 3 #37 seems to signify that he's a member, albeit a rather passive one (...like most, I guess).

Originally posted by SMASH!

Does she really need to be added? Symbolic member?


As Monolith said, she initially shared the White King position with Magneto. Magnus wanted her to, as a symbol that his membership in the Inner Circle wouldn't affect his loyalty to the X-Men and the New Mutants. Hence the "symbolic member" addition.

Originally posted by SMASH!

Captain Rogers is doubtful, also with the Zemo's. Lourdes was against what the Club stood for so it's unlikely she joined either.


They might well all have been members of the Hellfire Club, which was and is merely a social club for the wealthy to most, without standing for -- or even being aware of -- the Inner Circle and its goals, just as Archangel and Psylocke, for example.

In regards to the Zemos, however, I doubt they'd have any moral quarrels with the Inner Circle's business. In the case of Rogers and Worthington, I'll probably change it to "possiblE instead of "presumed" in the next update, though.

Originally posted by SMASH!
When did she join?

Monolith said it.

--Marc

Mesran
Jul 20, 2002, 03:06 pm
Ok, no probs, thanks for clearing that up :)

M.O. Frisch
Jul 21, 2002, 09:54 am
Originally posted by SMASH!
Ok, no probs, thanks for clearing that up :)

Thanks right back to you and everybody else who brings up the "blurry" spots-- There's always room for improvement.

--Marc

harlekein
Jul 21, 2002, 09:17 pm
Something about Sage's Retcon: As CC himself said:
The X-Men were in a hectic period during the Phoenix stuff and the message was either too late or they didn't recieve.

Ares
Jul 23, 2002, 09:23 pm
Originally posted by M.O. Frisch
There are only two: Black and Red.

The only characters who are a part of Shaw's new Inner Circle in X-MAN #21-25 and #28 are Shaw himself (Black King), Tessa (Shaw's aide; no position, as usual), Scribe (&quot;Shaw's Red Rook&quot;), and Madelyne (&quot;Our newest Rook&quot;).

Fitzroyn and Madelyne are referred to as White and Black Rook by Selene in #22, but Madelyne is only accepted into this Inner Circle by Shaw in #23, and Fitzroy doesn't join until some time prior to X-MEN #73; And Selene herself is still referred to as &quot;the former Black Queen&quot; in #28, so she isn't part of the Inner Circle either at this point, and doesn't return until some time prior to FANTASTIC FOUR 1999, at which point Shaw apparently isn't a part of the Circle anymore.

Kavanagh may not really have had a clear idea there himself in regards to how he wanted his Inner Circle to look, but these are the facts which can be derived fom what is written, anyway.

Nope, he really doesn't.

--Marc
Okay, if you would rather be wrong that's fine, but I don't want to argue about this anymore. I just doesn't make any probable sense why Scribe would be the Red Rook of "Shaw's Inner Circle." The color red came from London's chapter. She was the Red Rook of the London Hellfire Club. She never belonged to the New York chapter. It is just that simple.

M.O. Frisch
Jul 24, 2002, 10:22 am
Originally posted by Ares

Okay, if you would rather be wrong that's fine, [...]

Now, now.

I appreciate your input (please keep it up!), I just don't agree with your interpretation here-- Let's just agree to disagree, okay? ;)

--Marc

Howlett
Jul 28, 2002, 07:44 am
M.O. Frisch, great work! I really enjoyed the bio. I have one question... who's Miss Hoo???

M.O. Frisch
Jul 28, 2002, 04:09 pm
Originally posted by Howlett
M.O. Frisch, great work! I really enjoyed the bio.

Many thanks for the kind words!

I'm working on an update that brings the biography up-to-date and includes many corrections and additions.

Originally posted by Howlett
I have one question... who's Miss Hoo???

She was a mutant working for Sebastian Shaw in X-MEN UNLIMITED #17, who switched around Wolverine and Sabretooth's minds.

--Marc

M.O. Frisch
Aug 5, 2002, 04:40 pm
Okay, final update coming up (barring any potential corrections or additions, of course) in the following post.

Note to the mods: Sorry about the length of it, but, besides bringing the history up to date, I made a lot of corrections and additions in a lot of places, so it wouldn't have made sense to just provide small chunks-- Feel free to delete the post once the biography is replaced.

Here we go:

--Marc

atxbomber
Aug 5, 2002, 07:13 pm
Ok, I added the update in for you

M.O. Frisch
Aug 6, 2002, 02:54 pm
Thanks!

--Marc

Ares
Aug 19, 2002, 03:15 am
Originally posted by M.O. Frisch
Now, now.

I appreciate your input (please keep it up!), I just don't agree with your interpretation here-- Let's just agree to disagree, okay? ;)

--Marc
Okay. I just don't agree with you and Monolith, but what fun would it be if we always agreed. I just wish I could change you mind.

NickSeiler
Dec 22, 2002, 05:48 pm
Very nice work in collecting this information. It's definitely proved helpful! :)

-N

M.O. Frisch
Feb 26, 2003, 01:53 pm
Originally posted by M.O. Frisch
Donald Pierce, who had risen to the position of the White King,

This (from the twelfth paragraph) may be wrong, since I've been told that the English version of MARVEL GRAPHIC NOVEL #4 says that Pierce is still a White Bishop at the time (I only have the German reprint, which includes no such reference).

If that can be confirmed, you may want to omit this bit of wrong information from the bio -- we then have to presume that Pierce was demoted from King to Bishop at some point.

Ares
Jul 14, 2003, 07:09 pm
Originally posted by M.O. Frisch
This (from the twelfth paragraph) may be wrong, since I've been told that the English version of MARVEL GRAPHIC NOVEL #4 says that Pierce is still a White Bishop at the time (I only have the German reprint, which includes no such reference).

If that can be confirmed, you may want to omit this bit of wrong information from the bio -- we then have to presume that Pierce was demoted from King to Bishop at some point.
It's been said that Donald Pierce has been both White King and White Bishop. So your theory is probably accurate. Although, it could be that he was a bishop first and then got promoted to king. His position has always been unclear. It didn't help when Claremont said he was the White Prince.

Anyways, since Emma Frost's title is now out, it won't be too long until we have more Inner Circle information. Yay! :D

Alex Guillen
Jul 17, 2003, 09:23 am
very true, Ares.
I think Pierce was the White Bishop and then ascended to White King, it seems the logical thing to do.

Ares
Jul 18, 2003, 07:14 pm
Originally posted by kotsin
very true, Ares.
I think Pierce was the White Bishop and then ascended to White King, it seems the logical thing to do.
Exactly! Why would Donald Pierce be demoted? With the way the Hellfire Club works, he wouldn't be demoted; he would be kicked out of the Inner Circle. That's why I believe he earned the position of White King while originally being the White Bishop. However, this is all speculation.

Marc-Oliver Frisch
Aug 3, 2003, 10:30 pm
Originally posted by Ares

Exactly! Why would Donald Pierce be demoted?

Because it's the only logical way what's said in the stories works, as I'm sure I've explained in numerous threads.

We know this:

(1) Pierce was White BISHOP when he was kicked out.

(2) It was later repeatedly said that Pierce had been White KING BEFORE he was kicked out.

(3) Even later, when Pierce was allowed back in, it was repeatedly said that he was reclaiming his position as White BISHOP, implying that this was the position he held when he was kicked out.

So, since both his positions as White King and White Bishop are confirmed and well-documented in several issues (unlike the "Black Prince" mistake you mention), I would only want to regard either of them as a mistake if it seemed altogether unreasonable to me that it could be accurate.

Because Pierce has always been portrayed as a character who is very blunt, rude and emotional, rather than a mindful schemer, I don't find it altogether unreasonable that he would have been demoted at all -- in the contrary.

Hence, the conclusion is that he was White King at one point, was then demoted to White Bishop, was then kicked out, and later resumed his position as White Bishop.

This takes all the references we have into account without stretching credibility, where I'm concerned.

--
Marc-Oliver Frisch

FrodoLives
Aug 8, 2003, 09:06 am
As of New Xmen #142. Sebastian Shaw seems to have relcaimed the role of the Black King in the NY Hellfire Club. I also believe Sunspot managed to break ties with the Club. As did Empath.

tyran80
Aug 8, 2003, 08:49 pm
How do you know that Sunspot and Empath have broken ties with the Hellfire Club? It's never been said anywhere, and just because Sunspot will be showcased in the Infitada arc over in X-Treme X-Men running the LA X-Corp does not mean that Roberto's duties elsewhere exclude him from the Hellfire Club. Don't forget that all the Hellfire members have lives, and big businesses to run. They don't stay cooped up in a Victorian mansion their entire lives, you know.

Marc-Oliver Frisch
Aug 11, 2003, 02:38 pm
Originally posted by FrodoLives
As of New Xmen #142. Sebastian Shaw seems to have relcaimed the role of the Black King in the NY Hellfire Club.

That would be jumping to conclusions.

We see Shaw is running a nightclub named "The Hellfire Club," but for all we know, this has nothing to do with the organization of the same name.

--
Marc-Oliver Frisch

Monolith
Aug 11, 2003, 04:26 pm
Originally posted by Marc-Oliver Frisch


That would be jumping to conclusions.

We see Shaw is running a nightclub named &quot;The Hellfire Club,&quot; but for all we know, this has nothing to do with the organization of the same name.

--
Marc-Oliver Frisch

That would certainly make me feel better. ;)

Ares
Aug 11, 2003, 08:36 pm
Originally posted by Marc-Oliver Frisch
Because it's the only logical way what's said in the stories works, as I'm sure I've explained in numerous threads.

We know this:

(1) Pierce was White BISHOP when he was kicked out.

(2) It was later repeatedly said that Pierce had been White KING BEFORE he was kicked out.

(3) Even later, when Pierce was allowed back in, it was repeatedly said that he was reclaiming his position as White BISHOP, implying that this was the position he held when he was kicked out.

So, since both his positions as White King and White Bishop are confirmed and well-documented in several issues (unlike the &quot;Black Prince&quot; mistake you mention), I would only want to regard either of them as a mistake if it seemed altogether unreasonable to me that it could be accurate.

Because Pierce has always been portrayed as a character who is very blunt, rude and emotional, rather than a mindful schemer, I don't find it altogether unreasonable that he would have been demoted at all -- in the contrary.

Hence, the conclusion is that he was White King at one point, was then demoted to White Bishop, was then kicked out, and later resumed his position as White Bishop.

This takes all the references we have into account without stretching credibility, where I'm concerned.

--
Marc-Oliver Frisch
Due to the fact that I don't have access to all the information on Pierce’s history, I suppose I'll have to take your word. Although, it is still suspicious that he would be demoted rather than just removed from the Inner Circle altogether.

Originally posted by Marc-Oliver Frisch
That would be jumping to conclusions.

We see Shaw is running a nightclub named &quot;The Hellfire Club,&quot; but for all we know, this has nothing to do with the organization of the same name.

--
Marc-Oliver Frisch
If you have read New X-Men #139, it says that Emma Frost had been introduced to the Hellfire Club when they were looking for dancers. That implies, in my opinion, that the nightclub has been associated with the Hellfire Club for some time. However, the club's relationship might be with the different nightclub now but there is no evidence of that. Also, since Shaw is involved it makes it seem more likely that the Hellfire Club is connected with the nightclub.

tyran80
Aug 12, 2003, 01:15 am
Well, here's the thing. The Hellfire Club itself IS a club for the elite. It's where rich, influential people go to unwind. Now, the particular catch to THIS particular club is that the "board members" (the Inner Circle) have banded together as a loosely binded entity that uses the resources of the Club for a wide variety of tasks, from schooling rich and powerful children to illegal operations to downright attempts at political, economical, and military world domination.

But down at heart, the Hellfire Club as such is just that, a club. It's the members that have made it so much more.

Marc-Oliver Frisch
Aug 12, 2003, 04:02 pm
Originally posted by Ares

If you have read New X-Men #139, it says that Emma Frost had been introduced to the Hellfire Club when they were looking for dancers. That implies, in my opinion, that the nightclub has been associated with the Hellfire Club for some time. However, the club's relationship might be with the different nightclub now but there is no evidence of that. Also, since Shaw is involved it makes it seem more likely that the Hellfire Club is connected with the nightclub.

We can only assume, at this stage.

--
Marc-Oliver Frisch

Ares
Aug 12, 2003, 08:56 pm
Originally posted by tyran80
Well, here's the thing. The Hellfire Club itself IS a club for the elite. It's where rich, influential people go to unwind. Now, the particular catch to THIS particular club is that the &quot;board members&quot; (the Inner Circle) have banded together as a loosely binded entity that uses the resources of the Club for a wide variety of tasks, from schooling rich and powerful children to illegal operations to downright attempts at political, economical, and military world domination.

But down at heart, the Hellfire Club as such is just that, a club. It's the members that have made it so much more.
That's completely true. The problem is that the elite don't seem to be the kind of people to own a nightclub with the public knowing. This is the part that I'm struggling with to understand.

Originally posted by Marc-Oliver Frisch
We can only assume, at this stage.

--
Marc-Oliver Frisch
I suppose, but I have a feeling this won't be cleared up. At least, not any time soon.

tyran80
Aug 13, 2003, 08:50 pm
Well, nowadays clubs of this sort don't have the same aura around them as when the typical Gentlemen's Clubs were slightly more common. They were owned by the Elite for the Elite. Think of it as a yacht club with... alternate activities.

Marc-Oliver Frisch
Aug 18, 2003, 03:53 pm
Originally posted by Ares

I suppose, but I have a feeling this won't be cleared up. At least, not any time soon.

Well, no harm there -- I enjoyed the Morrison version, at any rate, and I'm sure it will sooner or later be cleared up to such a point where we can say something definitive.

Until that happens, I won't get any grey (or black, or white, or red) hairs. :)

--
Marc-Oliver Frisch

HNutz
Aug 18, 2003, 05:12 pm
So........ any thoughts on the British HFC that Ellis introduced?

Marc-Oliver Frisch
Aug 21, 2003, 11:45 am
Originally posted by HNutz
So........ any thoughts on the British HFC that Ellis introduced?

Cannon fodder, mostly, I guess.

Ellis would seem like the right kind of guy to make the Hellfire Club interesting, though.

--
Marc-Oliver Frisch

Gonzalo84
Nov 28, 2004, 10:46 pm
For the Pearce issue:

AFAIK he was the White King during the Dark Phoenix Saga. Then he was kicked out and by the time Selene and Shaw were reformign the Inner Circle, Pierce was applying for the rank of White Bishop.

Ares
Feb 26, 2005, 02:41 am
The Hellfire Club is up and running again and my question is when will we see some updates on the profile here? I also want to mention that it is nice to Chris Claremont writing the stories for the club again. His stories always appealed to me more. I love how he threw Sage back into the mix without it being as if she joined the opposing side.

Gonzalo84
Mar 24, 2005, 12:10 pm
Following Pierce and Shaw's fight, the Hellfire Club's Inner Circle roster is the following:

- Roberto DaCosta/Sunspot: Lord Imperial III (formerly Black King V and Black Rook III)
- Tessa/Sage: Lord Imperial's Advisor
- Selene: Black Queen II (though not associated with the rest of the Inner Circle)
- Opul-lun Satyr-9/Courtney Ross: White Queen V
- Viper II: Warrior White Princess
- Sebastian Shaw: Black King I (formerly Lord Imperial II)
- Red Lotus/Paul Hark: No position, merely a Hellfire Club associate.

Radiate
Apr 6, 2005, 08:11 pm
Ok can someone explain to me what this club's about now?I'm SO confused.

Are they good or bad now, since they've got Sunspot,Sage etc.?

And how did Bogan play a part in the club?

RADIATE!

jimcomics
Nov 13, 2005, 02:28 pm
Sir Harry Manners (1915);

I believe his first name is Henry,not Harry

it's all a game
Nov 17, 2005, 10:47 pm
There are only two: Black and Red.

The only characters who are a part of Shaw's new Inner Circle in X-MAN #21-25 and #28 are Shaw himself (Black King), Tessa (Shaw's aide; no position, as usual), Scribe ("Shaw's Red Rook"), and Madelyne ("Our newest Rook").

Fitzroyn and Madelyne are referred to as White and Black Rook by Selene in #22, but Madelyne is only accepted into this Inner Circle by Shaw in #23, and Fitzroy doesn't join until some time prior to X-MEN #73; And Selene herself is still referred to as "the former Black Queen" in #28, so she isn't part of the Inner Circle either at this point, and doesn't return until some time prior to FANTASTIC FOUR 1999, at which point Shaw apparently isn't a part of the Circle anymore.

Kavanagh may not really have had a clear idea there himself in regards to how he wanted his Inner Circle to look, but these are the facts which can be derived fom what is written, anyway.



Nope, he really doesn't.

--Marc
this can just be counted as more speculation, but from what I gathered Madelyne Pryor was meant as a tool for Selene to Manipulate Shaw into Letting Selene back into the inner circle. The writer constantly reffered to Selene as the former black queen, and then there was the issue, where Madelyne was at the side of Sebastion Shaw at the party to introduce her the hellfire club. It's at this point that Selene reallizes that Madelyne is more than likely going to steal away the position that she has been working so hard to regain, and her and tessa and Fitzroy Join forces to remove Madelyne. No one knows exactly how they went about it, but it was always speculated that they exposed Madelynes Betrayal of Sebastion Shaw to her son Cable, when they saught out the power of Apocalypse, and she exposed them. But like I said at the beginning, this can be counted among the other issues of pure speculation.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a186/helliosthesungod/Picture.jpg

Shaw712's hellfire club My artwork. I plan on illistrating his fan fic, so to all thoseinterested, stay posted, more to come.

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Shortpack
Dec 3, 2005, 05:23 pm
So........ any thoughts on the British HFC that Ellis introduced?

i like them as a concept. it's cool to think that there'd be an older version of the Hellfire Club that snubs its 'nose' at the american version. the character designs were all cool. and i like that they had red kings and queens instead of white. but, in the end, we didn't learn much about the London branch. their Black King had no personality at all and it seemed like the males of the club were pretty much there as pawns for the queens. still they were a great concept. loved the connection with demons. maybe Selene should have applied for membership, instead of continually trying to usurp Sebastian's power.

Disorderly
Dec 5, 2005, 03:55 am
I hated the London Branch....They just didn't compare well to me against the New York Branch.

Robbert Graner
Dec 11, 2005, 06:58 pm
I, instead, liked the London Hellfire Club story. I really love their Black Queen (and her counterpart in the Age of Apocalypse), so I still hope we will see her again once.

Shortpack
Dec 11, 2005, 07:17 pm
I, instead, liked the London Hellfire Club story. I really love their Black Queen (and her counterpart in the Age of Apocalypse), so I still hope we will see her again once.

Ms Steed was pretty cool; psionic chains. i sort of liked Scribe as well; when i found out she could go intangible. wasn't she in league with Onslaught? i wonder what became of that connection?

Robbert Graner
Dec 11, 2005, 07:41 pm
Ms. Steed was indeed an ally of Onslaught once. But it was seen/mentioned in only one issue of Excalibur.

White fox
Dec 12, 2005, 05:13 pm
It was one of those connections that was never really substanciated but definately inferred. Like The Gauntlet psi-ops, and the Dark Beast. It was never conclusively shown that he was responsible for them going after Nate (X-Man) but it was definately hinted.

Seeya
May 6, 2006, 01:30 pm
How strange! :cuckoo:

Benazir Kaur and Selene are alike! :LOL:
Reeva Payge and Emma Frost are alike! :LOL:

I guess Benazir and Reeva are depowered for best :LOL:

White fox
May 19, 2006, 09:24 pm
I have been so out of it with the Comics ately, someone please update me on the developments of the hellfire club

Janne Pietikainen
May 20, 2006, 01:44 pm
There seems to be a new Hellfire Club. Totally different with the old one. The members include Sebastian Shaw, Cassandra Nova, Ellie Phimister and some mystery member. Emma Frost is their mole inside the X-Men. This is all happening in Astonishing X-Men.

The old club should still be active though. I think Sunspot is the current Lord Imperial.

Robbert Graner
May 21, 2006, 06:25 pm
There seems to be a new Hellfire Club. Totally different with the old one. The members include Sebastian Shaw, Cassandra Nova, Ellie Phimister and some mystery member. Emma Frost is their mole inside the X-Men. This is all happening in Astonishing X-Men.

The old club should still be active though. I think Sunspot is the current Lord Imperial.

And you have Sat-yr-9 posing as her deceased counterpart Courtney Ross as the White Queen. And of course Selene, she's somewhere in the basement of the Hellfire Club, I guess.

White fox
May 27, 2006, 07:21 pm
I knew Emma was up to no good, but back when i said that, I was only met with ridicule. Damn them....

xavyre
Jun 27, 2006, 08:52 am
Though they have shown that Nova is controlling her currently, so she's yet to turn on them.

Xavier Disciple
Jul 15, 2006, 04:04 pm
Though they have shown that Nova is controlling her currently, so she's yet to turn on them.

Oh ok, good. I only have Astonishing #1-12, so as of right now I have no idea what's going on with Emma. I was just hoping Whedon wasn't writing her out to make room for Jean again. Scott/Jean is so tired. But who is this Ellie Phimister chick?

Dayton Ruhl
Jul 23, 2006, 04:20 am
She was a pupil of Emma's on Genosha when it was attacked by Cassie Nova's Sentinels.

Read more here in the Bios section:
Phimister, Ellie (Negasonic Teenage Warhead) (http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums/showthread.php?t=12896).

Admittedly, there's not much there, but well... she's only appeared a handful of times. More to come, no doubt.