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raul grau
Jul 30, 2005, 02:24 pm
<img src="http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/columns/oneshots1.jpg" hspace=10 align=left border=0 alt="One-Shots logo">By Daniel Devlin (maveruick41484), ddevlin@gmail.com

Are We Men? Nay! We're FANMEN!

"Fanboy or Fanboi is a term used to describe someone who is utterly devoted to a single subject or hobby, often to the point where it is considered an obsession. The term originated in comic book circles, to describe someone who was socially insecure and used comics as a shield from interaction, hence the disparaging connotations. Fanboys are often experts on minor details regarding their hobbies, and they take these details extremely seriously. The term itself is often used in a derogatory manner by less serious fans of the same material."
-Wikipedia

I look with some dismay on the above definition. I consider myself a fan of comics, of sci-fi, of horror films, of this so called "geek music," but not to the extent with which Wikipedia goes to classify a fanboy. I'm not a fanboy by their definition, nor, I suspect, by anyone's definition.

But I'm getting ahead of myself. I'm a twenty-something college senior. Every week, my best friend (by whom this term was coined) and I have what we have affectionately call "comic book Wednesday" where, you guessed it, we go and pick up our books for that week at the local comic shop. It's gotten to the point where our friends expect it. If they don't see us walking around campus with our books that week, they'll ask "What's wrong? Nothing good this week?"

My friend and I frequently sit and eat dinner, discussing continuity, great fights, industry news, and character developments, and postulating on the direction in which a particular book seems to be going. We're intimately familiar with the pasts of our favorite respective characters and books (me with the X-Men, he with Spider-Man) and can discuss, at length, the sociopolitical ramifications of certain story arcs, and the social (and sometimes industrial) commentary of certain characters.

Wait, what? Sociopolitical ramifications? Social commentary? Doesn't sound like the comic books you know, does it? Nor does it sound like the archetyped "fanboy."

And we're not fanboys. We're fanmen. Yeah, yeah, laugh it up.

I can sit and draw comparisons between Shakespearean or Grecian character archetypes and Yorick Brown. I can discuss the politics of House of M vs. the Bush White House. I could go toe to toe with anyone on why comic books represent a truly alive form of art, and why the characters, in and of themselves, are more human than most other forms of media.

But I digress. The point is, everyone knows a fanboy...the guy who hangs out at the comic shop, wears comic book related shirts, discusses why V for Vendetta is better than all of the crap being published today (and, granted, that's probably true), but then still goes and shells out fifty bucks a week on the crap he's just dissed on. He uses comics to create another world, a better world where nerds who are persecuted like him have fantastic abilities and are respected and loved and somehow always end up getting the impossibly hot girl. He is socially inept, and he likes it that way. Talk to girls? Hah! Not unless they've died and come back to life at least twice.

The fanman does buy his books, but he dresses well. That is the first sign of a fanman: the ability to dress himself. He reads and loves the books and characters, but not at the expense of his friends, with whom he doesn't discuss comics, mostly because they couldn't care less. He can debate real world politics and Shakespeare and a whole variety of other topics as easily and as readily as he can discuss Grant Morrison's run on We3. He is not defined by his love for comics; instead, he is refined by it. His comic book hobby is just that: a hobby, not a lifestyle. He recognizes comics (and, for that matter, movies, video games and any other sort of typical fanboyisms you can think of) for what they are: escapism. A way to forget about the day for a few minutes, or hours. He reads his comics, watches his movies, plays his video games, and then is done with them. Yes, perhaps he discusses them (with a fellow fanman), but he does not allow himself to be so wrapped up in the false world that he finds it difficult to escape. The fanman can accept change in the character. He does not look at the Magneto from Fatal Attractions and say "that's not the real Magneto. No one has ever written Magneto as well as Claremont, and no one ever will, so I hate this story because it's not the real Magneto." The fanman accepts the story at face value, and then sees the intrinsic social value of the story. The fanman loves and appreciates the characters, but understands that they are not necessarily the most important part of the story...indeed, the fanman looks more at what the story is saying, at the social commentary above all else.

The fanman spreads his love for comics to his friends, but not by giving them the Onslaught trade paperbacks, or a story so entrenched in the history of the character that no one would ever understand it...he gives them works they can appreciate on a cerebral level. I, for instance, bought one of my best friends a copy of Craig Thompson's masterpiece Blankets for her birthday. Now, she is reading Y: The Last Man and Ex Machina and recently asked me "what in the hell did you do to me?"

The fanman is well read. He has read American Gods and understood it. He read through all of the Sandman stories. He has read Shakespeare, and Nietzsche, and the Morrison Manifesto. He reads the paper every morning, watches the news at night (even if it is only The Daily Show) and keeps up on current politics, because he is interested in the social climate. He thinks Powers is as good a cop story as Law and Order: SVU, and can debate you about that until the bitter end.

In short, ladies and gentlemen, I would wager that most of you out there are, in fact, fanmen (although Comixfan most certainly does have its share of fanboys, so help me god). The fanman is, essentially, the metrosexual of the comic world. He dresses well, likes to chat up the ladies, can speak intelligently about a variety of topics, comics included, and always, always puts his friends first. At least until the next issue of Ultimates 2 comes out.

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Danny Devlin is well aware that he has dissed the female fanbase out there, and would like to offer his sincerest apologies. He just felt that there was no need to extol the virtues of an already amazing group of Fanwomen, and knows that a true Fanman makes the ladies feel special 24-7.

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KenB3
Jul 30, 2005, 03:50 pm
I liked this article. I like comic books, but I pick up comics by writers who I like. I don't keep picking up a series which has sucked for five years because I always pick up that series. I don't hate certain writer vehemently for changing characters that I worship in my basement.

However, why did you have to spoil it by going and calling us "metrosexuals" of the comic world?

Spider-X
Jul 30, 2005, 04:51 pm
wow fanmen? Thats a horrible new stereotype to go along with the bag of false labels that we already have. The article is amusing yes but its not a widespread definition of "fanmen" cause there are fanmen out there that love to collect backissues and talk about how comics have drifted off course. I love anything Ghost Rider ANYTHING about him and the groups and associated events he has been apart of well not many since Marvel likes to leave him out of the spotlight but anyways yeah I hope to one day write for GR and to bring peace to the other lost fans like me.

Paul Shinn
Jul 30, 2005, 04:54 pm
Nice article. I would say that I too am a Fanman, and am often slightly embarassed at overhearing the conversations of "fanboys" in my local comic shop.

Ovid
Jul 30, 2005, 05:16 pm
Nice article, but metrosexuals? Ugh!

And let's be fair: isn't 'fanboy' always the other person?

irish_star
Jul 30, 2005, 06:13 pm
What about the ladies, are we now fanwomen?
And, nice article

WeaponX
Jul 31, 2005, 03:08 am
Nope still a fan boy. No one would ever catch me with comic books in public let alone campus. Once you talked about people knowing about wednesday I was like fan boy. I will admit I like comics and find them valuable but I say its a childhood thing. And it is I like to use it as my escape not as my social self. I will descuss comics with my friends who are into them but I save every one else the boredom. Oh and the metrosexual comparison works because your better than fanboys but you still aren't men. Sorry I couldn't resist honestly fanboys are fine by me you keep this world going and for that I will always be thankfull.

Greenian
Jul 31, 2005, 06:03 am
interesting read...

...though I don't like the comparison with 'metrosexuals'. No offence to em, but guys like that annoy me. Lookin in the mirror fixin up their hair, very tidy, you know the type.

I'm not sure if I am one of the Fanmen. But I'm not a fanboy neither. I don't own any comic book shirts or clothing, and don't force comic conversations upon people who don't really care. All my friends know I read comics (girls and boys).

Reading comics is not a form of escapism for me. I read comics for the same reason I watch a movie or a Tv show. Which is, I like a good yarn with pictures.

harlekein
Jul 31, 2005, 09:10 am
Nice article and consider myself the middle-road. Not socially inept but will sometimes bore my friends with comic-related stuff like going on a comic-shop hunt.

bravelybravesirrobin
Jul 31, 2005, 09:36 am
Sounds like me.


But then you crafted such a positive image how could I say it didn't sound like me.


Anyone noticed how comics are getting a lot more respect nowadays, I walked into Music Zone yesterday and saw a wall covered in realy good trades (Watchmen, DKR, V, Shade, Tank Girl) and then in HMV spotted The Originals, almost every Sin City volume and Superman: True Brit. I don't know if it's because we're finally being accepted as an art form or just because of all the comic book movies but there certainly seems to be more mainstream awareness of them and people willing to talk to me about them these days.

Maybe the fanman is yet another false stereotype, maybe it is possible to be "normal" and read comics.
















Nah.

James Groves
Jul 31, 2005, 10:50 am
Anyone noticed how comics are getting a lot more respect nowadays, I walked into Music Zone yesterday and saw a wall covered in realy good trades (Watchmen, DKR, V, Shade, Tank Girl) and then in HMV spotted The Originals, almost every Sin City volume and Superman: True Brit. I don't know if it's because we're finally being accepted as an art form or just because of all the comic book movies but there certainly seems to be more mainstream awareness of them and people willing to talk to me about them these days.

I've noticed that, too. Virgin, HMV, Music Zone and Tower Records all have areas wher they sell Graphic Novels now. Mainly stuff that links to the wide number of comic book movies being released at the moment, but still, that's a good thing to see at the moment.

It is mostly what would be deemed perhaps the highbrow stuff - Watchmen, Batman: DKR, Sin City, V and Vertigo stuff - but there's a lot of stuff from the Ultimate Universe being sold as well.

I remember around 5 years ago when Virgin had a whole section of one floor devoted to comic books. It had rows and rows of comic books but it disappeared about 4 years ago and was replaced by a Mobile Phone area. Now that's changed somewhat with kiosks being set up that pertain to the Sin City, Batman Begins and Spider-Man movies.

Very nice article, btw. :)

I would probably just term myself as a bloke who buys comics for escapism, much like I would buy a horror, sciencefiction, crime or fantasy book for. I only collect books (specifically trades or GN's) that relate to the film noir, crime/gangster, detective/mystery genres and anything else i buy, i just throw away once i've read it. And i'd definitely say i'm a fanman. Not quite sure about the metrosexual reference, though. I do like to dress well... ;) What's wrong in looking nice? Doesn't mean you're vain! Doesn't mean you're well into yerself either!

Anthony Devlin
Jul 31, 2005, 11:40 am
Interesting article Mr Devlin.. And I thought I was the only one. I agree wholeheartedly with lots of points you raise, bar the point of Metrosexuality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meterosexual) I’m not sure how that comes into play here, i see where your going with it but dont see how you came to it as a form of conclusion. But a well thought out, interesting read :)

Seth Kim
Jul 31, 2005, 12:25 pm
Interesting article Mr Devlin..

Dude was that by your brother? :LOL:

maveruick41484
Jul 31, 2005, 12:54 pm
not brothers in blood, but, um, brothers is awesomeness, where awesomeness = comics.

although, we're probably related in some distant, distant way.

Anthony Devlin
Jul 31, 2005, 01:06 pm
Hello, distant, possible relative.

Yes I agree with all that you have said, taste shows and we have the same surname so that's a good start :P. Ignore what others will say they know nothing :LOL:

Jesus its like family reunited :rofl:

Not quite sure about the metrosexual reference, though. I do like to dress well... What's wrong in looking nice? Doesn't mean you're vain! Doesn't mean you're well into yerself either!

And nor does Metrosexuality. I've posted a link to the definition to the term in my above post, I advice you and others read. Some seem to be missing the point of it. It might help you see why the term was used within this context (or at least how i see it being used). It simply illustrates a point. After re-reading the article again it makes sense now why you used it Mr Devlin (still feels kinda weird). As the whole term was created for a similar reason to illustrate changing attitudes towards how we look at men of different sexualities the stereotype's associated and the crossing over of those stereotypes due to people like David Beckham, Jude Law. Now once you understand that point, read the article it makes sense to a degree. It's a way of illustrating what is kinda happening here.

Remnant
Jul 31, 2005, 02:43 pm
I agree with most parts of this article, i wouldnt go out of my way to discuss comics with any of my friends unless the asked me first. I wouldnt say that i was a fanboy because i am rarley bothered greatly when the comics i like under go changes of writters etc. And i like buying comics as a form of escapism, the same as watching a film etc.

I dont know if i agree with the metrosexuality comment though, but i can see what you were getting at...

Remnant

Anthony Devlin
Jul 31, 2005, 02:50 pm
He's not saying this is a case of metrosexuality, its being used to show the changing attitudes to long established stereotypes!!!! Which was the basis behind the coining of the metrosexuality phrase to begin with.

Ricky
Jul 31, 2005, 03:02 pm
Here (http://www.swcp.com/~diamond/sg-faq.html)'s an article about "stealth geeks", fan-boys that overcome their stigma and become part of regular society. I find it even better than this column.

But, nice work!

Rick

maveruick41484
Jul 31, 2005, 03:10 pm
Here (http://www.swcp.com/~diamond/sg-faq.html)'s an article about "stealth geeks", fan-boys that overcome their stigma and become part of regular society. I find it even better than this column.

But, nice work!

Rick

you should find it better than this article. . .i wrote this thing in about twenty minutes while hungover waiting for my coffee to finish brewing.

nonetheless, i feel something has gotten lost in translation from my original intent to the post here. This isnt the application of a new label, rather a revolution against an old label. I couldnt care less if fanman catches on or not, im just sick of being assumed to be of lower than average intelligence and childish due to my comic book hobby. I appreciate the books on an artistic level: visceral and important, social and political commentary, and, at the very height of the art, a revelation of the human condition.

The metrosexual comment, yes, I know, i Didn't mean it as such. . .as my long, lost relative explained earlier, it was simply a way to draw paralells to popular culture. I'm glad most of you enjoyed the article, though, and hope that you'll strive to destroy preconceptions of the comic book fan in the future.

-danny devlin

Anthony Devlin
Jul 31, 2005, 03:43 pm
Here (http://www.swcp.com/~diamond/sg-faq.html)'s an article about "stealth geeks", fan-boys that overcome their stigma and become part of regular society.

That link wont work Rick....

i wrote this thing in about twenty minutes while hungover waiting for my coffee to finish brewing.

Good to see that the US Devlin's are keeping up the high standards :LOL: ;)

nonetheless, i feel something has gotten lost in translation from my original intent to the post here. This isnt the application of a new label, rather a revolution against an old label. I couldnt care less if fanman catches on or not, im just sick of being assumed to be of lower than average intelligence and childish due to my comic book hobby. I appreciate the books on an artistic level: visceral and important, social and political commentary, and, at the very height of the art, a revelation of the human condition.


Agreed, it annoys me no end when people assume buying comics is a hobby from my childhood that I wont let go off, and still insist on saying I'll grow out of it :rolleyes:. Interestingly though, these are the same people who love the film adaptations of comics book heroes.. A senses of hypocrisy seeps in I feel.


The metrosexual comment, yes, I know, i Didn't mean it as such. . .as my long, lost relative explained earlier, it was simply a way to draw paralells to popular culture. I'm glad most of you enjoyed the article, though, and hope that you'll strive to destroy preconceptions of the comic book fan in the future.

Thank you, erm.. Cousin, thingy, something... I was a bit thrown at first, but then once I realised the context it's meant in, it makes sense and easily illustrates the point your trying to make.. without having to paint a picture.

Phasmal
Aug 1, 2005, 12:55 am
I agree for the most part, and consider myself a "fanman" for most of the reasons, but a few are debatable. Like you said, comics are escapism, so the LAST thing I want to do is take every series and try to find out what it's saying about our society. V for Vendetta? Sure, that's what it's supposed to do. X-Men? Other than the overall theme of tolerance, nah. And I don't read Shakespeare, because he is given way too much credit and generally sucks in my opinion. Also, as a very small-time writer, I believe that character is plot. To put them in the background of the story is to almost always make the story suffer.

Most things are true. I never say a character is acting out of character, because humans are very mutable and do really crazy stuff sometimes. My favorite writer is Mr. Blood and Guts, Garth Ennis, but I still had a great time reading Owly. I prefer to label myself only as a person who loves a good story and isn't afraid to get it from a video game or a comic book. Not a fanboy, not a fanman, but one of the best labels to wear of all: a reader.

James Groves
Aug 2, 2005, 04:52 pm
And nor does Metrosexuality. I've posted a link to the definition to the term in my above post, I advice you and others read. Some seem to be missing the point of it. It might help you see why the term was used within this context (or at least how i see it being used). It simply illustrates a point. After re-reading the article again it makes sense now why you used it Mr Devlin (still feels kinda weird). As the whole term was created for a similar reason to illustrate changing attitudes towards how we look at men of different sexualities the stereotype's associated and the crossing over of those stereotypes due to people like David Beckham, Jude Law. Now once you understand that point, read the article it makes sense to a degree. It's a way of illustrating what is kinda happening here.

Why, thank you, Professor Devlin. Do I have to sign up for your classes or do these gems of enlightenment come for free? :P

:sigh: I know what metrosexuality means. I was just using the piece as a springboard to voice my own displeasure at people who view metrosexuals in a negative light, and immediately assume that i'm a metrosexual from the way I dress. I'm not at all narcissistic, yet people immediately assume so. :frust:

You strike me as a retrosexual, Ant. Am I close? :LOL: ;)

He's not saying this is a case of metrosexuality, its being used to show the changing attitudes to long established stereotypes!!!! Which was the basis behind the coining of the metrosexuality phrase to begin with.

It stuck me that he was just using a popular phrase to indicate that the average comicbook fan is at ease with life, able to live life to its fullest (to an extent), and is open to all sorts of comic books, rather than to draw parallels to the revolution of a long established stereotype. I don't feel it's perhaps the correct term if it was being used in this context, though, but the thought process behind it I found to be sound. :)

*shrugs* I guess it's open to interpretation, but that's what i got out of it. ;)

Anthony Devlin
Aug 2, 2005, 05:29 pm
Why, thank you, Professor Devlin. Do I have to sign up for your classes or do these gems of enlightenment come for free? :P

Hmmm, i'll let you have that one for free seeing as it is you :P

:sigh: I know what metrosexuality means. I was just using the piece as a springboard to voice my own displeasure at people who view metrosexuals in a negative light, and immediately assume that i'm a metrosexual from the way I dress. I'm not at all narcissistic, yet people immediately assume so. :frust:

If people assume you are then let them, I find the whole need for the term unnecessary anyway. Why should gay men be the only ones to take care of themselves and take pride in their appearance.. But I guess if they didnt have the phrase then they would simply assume your gay!! (I shall not say a thing :P )

You strike me as a retrosexual, Ant. Am I close? :LOL: ;)

:LOL:... Hmmmm, more anything-with-a-pulse-sexual!!! :yes:

It stuck me that he was just using a popular phrase to indicate that the average comicbook fan is at ease with life, able to live life to its fullest (to an extent), and is open to all sorts of comic books, rather than to draw parallels to the revolution of a long established stereotype. I don't feel it's perhaps the correct term if it was being used in this context, though, but the thought process behind it I found to be sound. :)

*shrugs* I guess it's open to interpretation, but that's what i got out of it. ;)

Well yes, for the sake of argument that is similar approach I took, not the same but similar.