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raul grau
May 18, 2005, 06:21 pm
<img src="http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/columns/offpanelonscreen.jpg" hspace=10 align=left border=0 alt="Off Panel / Onscreen logo">By Seth Kim, loki@darkhorsemail.net

The Circle is Now Complete

Everyone has their first Star Wars memory. The thing is, I don't remember my first. Or, I kind of do, but I think it's an imaginative reconstruction of an amusing anecdote that my mother told me instead of a bona fide memory.

But wait... this is Comixfan. Shouldn't any Comixfan column deal with just comics? Well, considering that this column is on comic-based and related movies, and seeing that we cover Star Wars comics here at Comixfan, and since Star Wars fever has hit the world as if it were '99 again, I figure that I have a little leeway in my first outing. Ok, now back to that Star Wars pseudo-memory...

When I was two, my mother and aunt spent twenty minutes looking through the snow on a sidewalk for something lost. They searched so long and so hard that a few people stopped by to help look. One lady asked what it was that they were so doggedly looking for. My mother answered, "My son's stormtrooper s BlasTech E-11 blaster rifle." Well she really didn't say that, but it was what she was looking for. I was only two years old at the time. I remember drawing my first Luke Skywalker at around 4 or 5, buying Power of the Force figures with their marked down price tags in the late 80s, bartering for my friend's Boba Fett, ogling at the toys that that guy with the beard had at the local flea market, and seeing Star Wars for the first time in theatres, again, in 1997. Though in recent years Star Wars has become a source of seemingly unending disappointment for me and many, many others, Star Wars isn't just a movie- it's part of my life.

I've come to terms with my geekdom a long time ago. Comics, films, video games, animation, and toys take up most of my time. But if I were to track down the root, the very source of this deep-seeded infatuation with things fictitious, it would without a doubt be Star Wars. It was those three films that sparked a love (bordering on obsession) with film. It was also Star Wars that helped me discover a latent knack for writing, as it was Star Wars role playing and fan fiction (I told you I was a geek) that helped me find and develop that talent which would eventually lead into a study of screenwriting. I was old enough to see Episode VI in theatres, but I have no idea when or how I first saw the entire trilogy after that point. Somehow, the knowledge that Ben Kenobi was in fact a great general in the Clone Wars and that Darth Vader was Luke's father was always in the recesses of my mind, just as certain as 1 + 1 is 2. Even now, one of my greatest envies is for those who are old enough to remember seeing the trilogy in theatres; old enough to remember everything for the first time. But just what are these movies that have touched myself, and so many others so deeply?

Personally, I find the love-hate relationship with George Lucas fascinating. On one hand, we have those die hard followers of the faith that refer to him as "the flanneled one" and practice his word as if it were scripture. On the other hand, we have those who were once faithful, but whose faith has been tested by the blasphemy that known as The Phantom Menace. Where do I stand? I suppose somewhere in the middle, leaning towards faithful. I do see the point of both sides. Objectively, it does seem that Lucas is a bit money-crazed. I mean, it's hard to find merchandise not stamped with the familiar Star Wars label. It's pretty well known that everything goes before Lucas for inspection before its released, and it's equally well known that Lucas is very picky about what bares the Star Wars name, but when you look at some of the things on the market, you just can't help but wonder.

I remember when the licensing for Star Wars novels was finally approved, and there was a big deal made over those first books, written by Timothy Zahn. The licensing battle might have been hard-fought and won, but if you happen to skim just a few of the slew of books [and comics] that saw print afterwards, you can't help but wonder why there was a battle at all, if the end result was going to be such tripe. Although the intent of the books and comics is noble, attempting to flesh out the untouched regions of the Star Wars galaxy, as well as breathe life into both familiar and new characters, the efforts usually leave much to be desired. More likely then not these outings go hand in hand with flimsy plots and two-dimensional characters, even by the standards set by the films. The same goes for the numerous video games, save the Atari arcade games of old and the recent Sega coin-op as well; the title 'Lucas' just doesn't go hand in hand with quality. Although anything creative with the Star Wars name is a labor of love (especially the Star Wars Encyclopedia... yes, an encyclopedia), it would seem that capturing the magic of the films in any other media is a feat that is elusive to anyone who doesn't have the last name of Lucas. Unless of course you're Genndy Tartakovsky, in which case the cartoon series you've created (Clone Wars) can actually hold a torch, or maybe even dare I say surpass the films in pure coolness. But even if there is an excess of low quality merchandise which scream of greed, I would think it hard to argue (although many have) that George Lucas is a genius to have come up with the very essence is Star Wars.

What is Star Wars? What are these movies that have captivated several generations over the past 28 years, but have also seen their equal share of criticism? Let's take a moment to delve into the movies themselves. You see, to me, the Star Wars films are a life-long infatuation, but they also represent a series of contradictions. Ok, hold tight, this is where things start to get a little confusing. See, Star Wars is new in its settings, and yet it is old and recognizable in its character templates and situations. Star Wars is new in its technological innovations and groundbreaking visuals, and yet it is old in spirit, in its storytelling. Star Wars is a film for children, simple in its structure and easy to understand, and yet it is a film for adults, an expansive universe with nooks and crannies, life stories and philosophy, details and intricacies. Star Wars is the ultimate independent film, under complete control of its original creator, and yet Star Wars is also the head of one of the largest film empires in the modern world.

Confused yet? Let me start off with where the critics have stood, and stand, on Star Wars. Several critics, including David Thompson and A.O. Scott, have stated that it was Star Wars that somewhat "dumbed down" the moviegoing tastes of the general public. In reality, this is a point that holds merit. Lucas himself has said that Star Wars was always meant to be targeted towards children, and Mark Hamil (Luke Skywalker) has also said, in a fond way of course, that Star Wars is an aggrandized space opera. And yet, at the same time, those same kid films have reached so many people that there are whole communities dedicated to dissecting and analyzing said films. And again, this element is also justified. It is the very genius of Star Wars that lies here. The films may have been targeted towards younger audiences, but they hold true to universal archetypes that all ages can relate to, regardless of what galaxy they reside in. This of course is helped by the basic foundation which underlies those templates, the situation that the characters are placed in, which of course is Joesph Campbell's heroic journey. (Campbell's heroic journey of mythology deals with the reluctant hero and the circle that he or she journeys through, a formula that can be found almost everywhere, most prominently in both the Star Wars and The Lord of the Rings trilogies.) Ingeniously, Lucas takes that formula, and, with recognizable characters, he gives it its own twist. The end result is one of (if not the) biggest cinema phenomena in the history of film. The technical aspects aside, from a creative standpoint, Star Wars wasn't as new as you would think; it's well known that Lucas was influenced by the works of Kurosawa Akira and Errol Flynn. It's hard to argue that the Star Wars films are better (for lack of more appropriate wording) films than Rashamon and The Adventures of Robin Hood, but you have to admit, to most people, Star Wars is much more fun than Seven Samurai.

Another large gathering point of hate for George and the series would have to be the prequels. When you look at the prequels, the question really does come to mind... Did Lucas really have two trilogies planned back in '75? I don't think I would be going out on a limb by saying that some people were disappointed by The Phantom Menace. Some... people... Ok, everyone. The plot holes in both films, although not glaringly noticeable, are there (Didn't Vader ever think that his son or Kenobi might be on his homeworld? Why don't 3PO and R2 know Vader? Supposedly, these plot holes are going to be addressed in Episode III) and perhaps it's the lack of familiar faces or the differences in the overall look of the two trilogies (give me McQuarrie over Chiang any day), but something just wasn't right about Episodes I and II.

What's also interesting, in a good way, is the much more pronounced Asian influence in the prequels, following the growing influx of Asia in Hollywood in general. I suppose it was a matter of timing, with directors such as John Woo and Tsui Hark, actors such as Jackie Chan and Jet Li, films such as Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon and The Last Samurai, and, of course, anime such as Pokemon and Dragonball Z all just around the time of the prequels. These influences, of course, are most reflected in Amidala's costumes and the swordwork, as well as the overall mindset of the Jedi (Samurai) and Sith (Ninja). (Ray Park's Wu Shu especially.) But even with a more profound element of the East, I do have to admit that it's hard to defend the prequel films against the barrage of accusations they have seen.

I suppose this is a good point to begin the mandatory part of anything written by a Star Wars fan. The obligatory geek whining section. What I would have done with the prequels. I'll try to keep this short, as some may find my thoughts interesting, while others could care less. Plus, I didn't have as many qualms with the prequels as some may have had. The main thing that Lucas should have done different is up the action a bit. Most will agree that the Theed Hangar duel probably saved The Phantom Menace. Most will also agree that The Phantom Menace would have benefited with more Qui-Gon Jinn and Darth Maul busting heads and less Gungans. Lucas should have continued the vein of action in Attack of the Clones. I don't think I'm alone in thinking that we saw much too little of Darth Maul. My stubbornness continues to believe that there was no reason for Maul to die; he could have just as easily been the leader of the Separatists as Tyranus, and a Maul/Kenobi rematch would have been that much more emotional.

While we're on the subject, another reason that I wanted Maul back (other than him being such a kick ass character in the first place) was the character of Darth Tyranus, or Count Dooku. Although Tyranus was somewhat redeemed for me in The Clone Wars (personally I think that there was a lot that Lucas could have learned from the cartoon series), and even though Christopher Lee is a beautiful actor, Tyranus was a character that was weak onscreen. In effect, with all of the CG tampering, the Dooku/Kenobi/Skywalker fight is just horrible to look at. If they had to use the character of Tyranus instead of Maul, I would think that a younger, edgier actor would have been better suited. There were rumors of Gabriel Byrne in the prequels, and I must say that he would more than suffice as a Sith Lord. As pertaining to the aforementioned Asian elements of the prequels, they should have been taken to the limit. Seeing Jedi cut loose in hand-to-hand combat like in The Clone Wars or seeing them utilize different sword styles other than the Japanese bushido (perhaps Chinese styles or even fencing) would have been boss. Having an Asian actor, especially someone with the capacity of Jet Li or Donnie Yen, preferably as a Sith, would also have done much for the films. Personally, being a Boba Fett fan, I'm also torn with the entire Jango Fett/Boba Fett storyline. I'm torn because I never really dug the expanded universe material that dealt with Fett, but also because I think that Lucas kind of dropped the ball with that storyline. The Fetts just could have been so much more hardcore. Perhaps the TV series will deal with that problem...

So here we are. Now we finally have Revenge of the Sith, the first prequel with a kick ass title. It's funny... Lucas, or George as I like to fondly call him, has lost face with so many people with The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones that so many fans are rabid at the mouth, just waiting for Episode III to suck so they have an excuse to tear him into pieces, of course anonymously over the internet. I keep hearing "Episode III has to do this... Episode III has to do that." But, in truth, it doesn't have to do anything. Even with Jar Jar, and even with all of the semi-cool characters who existed just for the sake of 17 different action figures (not including variations), I think of it this way- It's Star Wars, and we're getting to see it again in the theatres. It's Star Wars, and from the looks of it, all signs are pointing to Revenge of the Sith kicking serious ass. The entire prequel trilogy existed for just this one film. Remember what it was like in '77? I don't, I wasn't born until three years later. But for those of you who do, and for those of us who remember what it was like back in '99, let's go back to those times. And when May 19th comes around, let's push thoughts of Hayden Christensen instead of Sebastian Shaw on Endor out of our heads, and just sit back and hold our breaths, waiting for the first peep of that sprawling vessel, once again, for the last time.

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Seth Kim is currently preparing for graduate school to study cinema theory and screenwriting, so that he can come up with his own trilogy of films, and make a fortune out of it that will last for all of his progeny.

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The opinions expressed in this column are solely those of the writer, and are not reflective of Comixfan or its other staff in general.

Apollo/Cyclops
May 18, 2005, 09:41 pm
I've got to say that I've liked star wars even before I was born! I remember when I was around 5 or 6 the first Star Wars I saw was Return of the Jedi, and even at that age, before even seeing anyother Star Wars, I was explaining what had gone on in the last two movies. Who know how I knew that stuff, but I did. What I'm trying to say is that even if Revenge of the Sith does suck, I'll still buy it. I gotta admit that I liked the first two, I didn't really mind Jar Jar (though by the end I wanted to shove a light saber up his ass), and I thought the Clone Wars movie was good to. To see Yoda fight was all I needed. I liked them both, just like I loved IV, V, and VI. Heck out of all the movies, Return of the Jedi is still my favorite besides those Ewoks. But you could disagree with me, saying I didn't understand the crappyness of it all, I could understand, I mean I'm only 15, but I still find it funny to listen to all the things people fight about. Ok Maul was cool, but that was only because of the double edge light saber.

Jon Hancock
May 18, 2005, 10:07 pm
Just saw Episode III. It sucked. The action was brilliant, the dialogue was atrocious. Samuel L was the one class act. Hayden Christensen shouldn't work again and as my big brother said, James Earl Jones needs a great big Nooooooooo! before he thinks about working again.

david r
May 19, 2005, 01:11 am
Well, I was sitting in the theatre in 1977 when the very first film came out, and I can remember how awe-inspiring it truly seemed to this 6-year-old at the time. I saw it several times that summer, and each time, I was pulled further into the world of Star Wars.

My mom also bought me many of the action figures and Star Wars toys. Now lost to the trash heap. I recall the excitement of waiting for "The Empire Strikes Back" and "Return of the Jedi." "Empire" lived up to my expectations. Taking the characters' lives further, and giving us viewers a downbeat ending. I thought it was a worthy successor to the first film, maybe because it was darker.

"Jedi" I was disappointed with in 1983. It almost felt anticlimactic. And the Ewoks just felt silly, when what I wanted to see was the final tale with these characters; and the showdown between Luke and Vader. Hey, anyone ever notice how Luke wears white in virtually all of "Star Wars". Luke wears mostly grey clothes in "Empire" and wears BLACK in "Jedi." Interesting...

I remember the huge hype for "Phantom Menace". I feel Episode One was the most anticipated movie in film history. And what a disappointment it turned out to be. I felt the final 3rd of "Attack of the Clones" lived up to the legacy of Star Wars. While the dialogue was absolutely horrible; and the attempts at humor fell flat on their face.

After reading Jon Hancock's comments on Episode III, I feel this final installment may suffer the same fate as the other prequels. Special effects do not a movie make...

Kevin Sutton
May 19, 2005, 01:26 am
With regards to the liscencing, I've found many of the books (including the mentioned Timothy Zahn works) and games to be quite good. Clone Wars the cartoon, on the other hand... eww. Terrible.

At the very least, even the poor spinoffs can't ruin a good story that's already in the pop conciousness. So even if the prequels have been disappointing, they don't harm the original trilogy in my mind.

RoninX
May 19, 2005, 02:03 am
I've loved Star Wars ever since I was knee high. When Yoda said he was 900 years old, apparently I asked my grandfather if he was as old as that.
I eagerly awaited the release of Episode I. Even watched it twice at the cinemas. Same goes for Episode 2-watched it 3 times. I cannot wait until tomorrow when I watch RotS-I'll probably watch it 4 times.
Yes the dialogue is a bit cheesy, and Jar Jar is annoying as all *#@%, but this is STAR WARS! For all entertainment that 'Uncle George' has provided me through the years, I don't think he could ever disappointment me.

Jonathan Payson
May 19, 2005, 06:07 am
Don't go by one opinion on a message board as far as the film's quality goes. I am in complete and utter disagreement with Jon on this one. I absolutely loved it. Given, it doesn't hold up to Empire (And I personally loved Jedi), but it's definitely a grand film if you're a fan of the series. Most of the big questions are answered and those that go unanswered are easily answered through simplistic logical assumption. There was so much of it that, as a person who's been watching these movies since he was three, nearly made me tear up. There's so much for me to talk about that I loved, but to avoid spoilers, I shall not. I'll just go with the obvious ones that everyone has known since 1983 or 1999:

Mace indeed does not go out like a punk as Jackson has hyped it. His big moment may go down as THE single most pivotal and important moment in the entire series (Anyone who disagrees may PM me and I will explain my reasons, as I do not want to elaborate here for spoilers' sake).

The end of the lightsaber duel is one of the most emotionally driven and well done scenes I have ever seen in a Star Wars film. Ewan McGregor did an absolutely phenomenal job and if you listen to the undertones and his voice and observe the look on his face in that scene it's hard not to appreciate it.

It had its poor moments. As is expected, Hayden and Natalie can't deliver a love scene, but there is only one really lovey scene that lasts all of five minutes.

The most important thing to me is that everything makes sense. It does tie up the loose ends and it connects everything. It wasn't the greatest story ever told, but it did its job phenomenally, it ended this generation's great saga in an exquisite manner.

Now you guys have both sides of the fence. One thought it sucked (If you don't mind, I wouldn't mind a PM to explain your reasons, I'm just curious to see the other end's thoughts on it) and one thought it was a masterful ending.

Ovid
May 19, 2005, 07:17 am
I know this is heresy, but I always thought Empire was the worst of the first three. I think that has something to do with the age I was. I saw both Hope and Empire in a double bill when Empire came out. I still remember the opening scenes of Hope, but even at the age of 6 or 7 I thought giant metal dogs were a dumb idea. The Dagobah scenes were booooooring. Plus, Empire has no :bleep:-off space battle. The one good thing was that I was on serious tenterhooks for a full three years wondering whether Vader lied about being Luke's father. I just refused to believe it. When Jedi came out, the Ewoks didn't bother me, although I can see how it might have for those who were teenagers by '83. But I liked Jedi mainly because it certainly did have a :bleep:-off space battle. The best of the lot. Plus a great lightsaber duel. Hope is still the best, IHMO.

The prequels have (so far - haven't seen the third) sucked for three reasons.
1) No Han Solo. Obi Wan should have been the reckless playboy. It would tie in to what he says later about not having been ready to teach Anakin.
2) No :bleep:-off space battles. Instead I'm supposed to get excited about a pod race?!
3) Lucas can't direct actors. Portman has been great in other things, but is on record as saying she can't improvise. Christensen is supposed to be good in other things too (though I haven't seen him in anything else). I think it was Ford who said that Lucas once told him to do a scene again 'only better.' If Portman and Christensen need strong direction to shine, then Lucas isn't the right director. Instead he's way too enamoured with technology. On the Jedi DVD commentary he keeps going on about how visual effects now can let you do anything. Listen to the guy commenting on the speeder-bike chase, and you discover how its 'jerky' feel was an accidental result of technological limitations. It's these happy accidents that CGI can't produce. Limitations bring out the innovative in people, unlimited power just the mediocre. Compare the speeder-bike chase with the pod race. 'Nuff said.

Baltimore Footstomper
May 19, 2005, 12:00 pm
My first Star Wars memory was "Empire Strikes Back." My grandmother (God rest her soul) took me when I was 10. I had no idea what was going on except that it was awesome. And all the wonderful toys... I was only a babe when "A New Hope" came out.

I'd give "Revenge" a C+. It's ok. A LOT of talking about stuff. Yes, dialogue is important, but only when it carries weight. At one point, I swear I was watching "The West Wing" with all the political talk going around. And for all the visual stuff going on, it all felt a little cold, maybe? The nods to the original trilogy were cool. Overall, not the suckfest half of you were wanting, nor the 'savior' of the prequels the rest of you were counting on. I guess that's the worst of it, "Revenge" was just...there.

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Phasmal
May 19, 2005, 02:19 pm
Episode III was the best of the prequels, and that's all we could have possibly hoped for. There was no way it was going to even match the first trilogy, but it did wrap up the first half of the story quite well.

As usual, the dialogue sucked. Lucas said in a Time interview that he didn't like going in and actually writing the conversational details to the big picture he had in his head. For that, I really wish he could have just advised the script, so maybe we could get more acceptable stuff. If I were James Earl Jones, I would have said, "Come back to me when my two or three lines don't suck so much."

The action was awesome and the PG-13 elements were something missing from the series. All that needs to be said. Oh, and Darth Maul would have been much better than Dooku or Greivous.

The acting was slightly improved. I give props to Hayden for saying in an interview that in Episode II Lucas wouldn't let him be dark, and his acting suffered for it. Natalie Portman is probably my least favorite actress, due to her terrible work on this series (not all her fault, I know) and for being a "meat is murder" vegetarian who said that Episode I's cross-promotion with KFC was "not the highlight of my moral life."

Basically, Lucas can't write dialogue and he can't direct actors. Let's lock him in the meeting room and just go in when we need one of his big ideas.

gabesummers
May 19, 2005, 02:39 pm
GREAT COLUM ! I was lucky enough that star wars was the first movie i have ever seen as a child in a theater.i can say i woukldnt even like sci-fi if not for this movie.Me and my brother would have fights to the death on our bunk beds..we had the toys..holloween costumes..i feel no matter what lucas does it will never be AS great as the first ones..but phontom menance was still better than half the sci-fi ive seen..that movie was some ones first..or first star wars experience..i think if you see it and nit pick its no fun..me? im going in to see it tonight as if i have no idea who these charecters are...what its about.its star wars for freakin sakes!! thank the jedi gods we get more movies..pray he does 7,8,9 one day...if gl had this all planned before 3,4,6 ..i dont care .
i took my own son to see "phantom menace" as his first movie..and to see my lil son ..with eyes wide open in awe..or laugh at jar-jar was a as if i had come full cirlce.each of these movies..no matter how bad or good...some lil kid out there in the audiance will have thier whole world rocked like we did as a child.a childs life will change tonight...he maybe one day will grow up to create the comics/movies/cartoons we all dream of..all because of this movie..all because of geroge lucas...tonight as i go with my kids (on a school night gasp) i will be looking to find a seat..i may see that lil kid...he/she may sit next to us..who knows..but i gurantee some lil kid will be sittting down in awe...mouth wide open...after the movie..he/she will go home and pretend..he/she will jump..he/she will make the sounds..hell/she'll have adventures..and to me that is what its all about..that one lil guy/girl...who beleives..like we al did at one time.that sence of amazement in thier eys..the joy.
look for him/her..it may make you smile..i bet it even makes the small plot holes not seem as important..almost trivial.

Rory
May 19, 2005, 04:46 pm
Great column Seth

I'm going to see the movie tomorrow and my expectations aren't that high sadly. But this is still one of the most amazing movie double trilogies ever. The one thing I really enjoy about this is seeing Obi Wan as a young man, being the hero and not the mentor. I think Ewan McGregor played him superbly previously

Dragon
May 20, 2005, 01:01 am
I saw Episode 3 this afternoon and i LOVED it. I've been a fan as long as i can remember, i was born around the time of Empire Strikes Back but i vagely remember it, i do clearly remember seeing Return of the Jedi, which has always been my favorite, ive seen every Star Wars movie since, original or the re-releases. I always watched any time they showed the original Trilogy on U.S.A about once or twice or year. i just wonder if this is truely the end.

Pong
May 22, 2005, 02:04 am
Dude. That was great. I'm like alot other star wars geeks... I know the prequel movies sucked.. but you love them anyway.

I thought episode one was great. Darth Maul is still totally boss. He only had 3 lines or so in the whole movie and like, 20 minutes screen time, but the sheer terror his presence brought was amazing. His defeat at Obi's hands I count null and void. It was like he LET obi wan slice him in half.

I saw episode three last night (Friday) and though from a CRITICAL point of view, it might not have been great... but as a fanboy, my god, was it "WOW". If I didn;t already KNOW how everything ends, maybe the movie would have cinematically been amazing as well.

Bottom line: I love star wars. I was born in 84, which meant i missed the original trilogy boom, but hell yeha was I along for the hype machine during the second trilogy. I certainly hope someone down the line chooses (and gets licensed) to put the rest of his epic on screen.... heheh

Kevin Sutton
May 22, 2005, 12:38 pm
Revenge of the Sith was about as good as the last movie. The general story is good, but it was predictable, (I'm not referring to the stuff we knew before the movie) and Hayden is pretty bad actor. The action was very good, and the CGI less intrusive, (even if it was more common) but the action was occasionally too fast to be followed.

tormented_spawn
May 24, 2005, 12:18 pm
Just saw Episode III. It sucked.
After reading Jon Hancock's comments on Episode III, I feel this final installment may suffer the same fate as the other prequels. Special effects do not a movie make...
Don't go by one opinion on a message board as far as the film's quality goes. I am in complete and utter disagreement with Jon on this one.
Yes, david r, can't listen to one or two posts, go watch it and then be disappointed afterwards... or not.