BERRY 'STORMS' IN WITH HISTORY-MAKING OSCAR WIN

[Eric J. Moreels]

<a href="http://x-mencomics.com/xfan/images/movies/berry_oscar.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://x-mencomics.com/xfan/images/movies/berry_oscart.jpg" align=left alt="Actress Halle Berry reacts to winning the Oscar for Best Actress during the 74th annual Academy Awards in Hollywood"></a>Actress Halle Berry, best known to X-fans as Storm from 2000's hit X-Men movie and its upcoming sequel X², has made Oscar history by becoming the first black woman to win a best actress Academy Award.

Berry accepted the Award with a weeping, emotion-filled speech that bought tears to the eyes of her worldwide audience on Sunday evening.

Berry won for her role as a woman overtaken by rage and frustration in the racially charged movie Monster's Ball that is considered her best performance in a 10-year career.

Moments later she was joined in the record books by Denzel Washington as they became the first blacks to win both the best actor and best actress Oscars in 74 years of Academy Awards.

Berry, who up until a few days ago had been considered an outsider for Hollywood's highest honor, looked about to faint. With tears streaming down her face and gasping for breath, Berry dedicated her award to all the African-American women who had struggled before her to make their way in Hollywood.

"This moment is so much bigger than me. It's for every nameless, faceless woman of color that now has a chance because this door tonight has been opened," she said. "I am so honored, I'm so honored, and I thank the Academy for choosing me to be the vessel from which this blessing might flow."

Berry told reporters afterward that she wondered how she would make it up the steps to the stage.

"I never thought it would be possible in my lifetime," she said of her Academy Award. "I hope this means they won't not see our color. That's what makes us so unique... I just hope we maybe will start to be judged on our work, and not our skin."

For more on Berry's historic win, check out the Reuters report by clicking here (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=600&u=/nm/20020325/film_nm/oscars_actress_berry_dc_8).

[Valkyrie]

I watched this last night and was soooo glad to see Halle win the Oscar. I've been pulling for her to win this since the nominations came out. No offense to Nicole, she's a good actress, but she's over rated where as Halle has been under rated for years. It's about time the spotlight shown on this talented actress and she finally received the recognition she so richly deserved.

-Val

[Ragincajun]

I am so glad for Halle. She has been underrated. And seeing that the whole world now knows how great an actor she is, this event will no doubt have an effect on her role in X-Men. I'm sure Bryan Singer and gang are going to make sure she looks VERY credible in the X-Men sequel and I can't wait to see her in it. I'm positive that she'll be given better screen time(co-leader of X-Men) and better dialogue. YOU GO GIRL!! Hmmhmm, make Bigdaddy happy. :D


Ragincajun

[haruka]

Go, Halle!! Whoo-hoo! You deserve it! :D

[stoney]

I'm so proud of Halle.

[Neolithic]

Is Halle Berry even black? You could have fooled me. Leave race out of it, Halle, you won on merit (at least we hope thats how it is decided!). :spidey:

[Erik the Red]

Bravo, my weather goddess! :storm:

[tekken21]

I was so happy to see her finally get what she deserves. It was touching to see her bring Nicole and Renee to tears as well, even though she beat both of them.

[CPunkDude]

It's about ******* time. Halle's win last night was the highlight of the entire Oscars. I think she has been fighting to get respect from Hollywood for over a decade, now she finally has the proof to show everyone that she's got what it takes. Congrats, Halle. I was also a little surprised to see Denzel win. It was a really historic event. It's like after years of the Oscars ignoring black actors, both the best actor and best actress winners are African-American. But I think in both their cases it's well-deserved and based on their talent not race. WTG

[fuzzyblue]

Halle IS Storm. She made rain fly out of her eyes and those of many in the audience. I was incredibly moved by her reaction. To those in the media who have said that she won just for being a person of colour: I pray that some day there will be no distinction between actors based on race, no historic wrongs to right, and no perception that an actress of her calibre, having given a perfomance of such depth, won for any reason other than merit.

[Silverbolt]

Yay Halle won, I so glad that she won, cuz Ive been ruting for her all along. Its about time too she's been to underated for quite some time now and needed to be acknoledged. And to all those people who are so furious over her win, well 2 bad. And this is not a color thing, cuz if it was she wouldnt have one all those other awards for her performace in Monster's Ball before the Oscar. This one is all hers and she deserved.

Congrats to Halle.


NDpunkX

[Stormfreak]

How disgusting - Affirmative Action at its worst. It's okay, though. The pride and dignity of the black American actress will rise again, despite Halle trying to tear it down.

Props to my Rattlers for protesting, and my dawgs at everythingblack.com! I love my Halle Berry S*cks shirt - I'll be wearing it for days.

[Icemanfan21]

I'm sorry, did I miss something? Well, I didn't watch the Oscars, but I did see tape of Berry's face when she heard she won. The woman looked like she might have a heart attack. From everything I saw about her after she won, she was a very grateful woman, and very gracious. Maybe bringing up the fact that she's black (Yes Neolithic, she IS black. Just like some white people are lighter than others, the same goes for black people) was a little tacky, but it was bound to be addressed eventually so it may as well have been her. That way nobody puts words in her mouth later on. And if people don't like the movie that she won for, well...that's an opinion. The Oscars are won based on people's opinions. They didn't like the Angela Bassett movies, but apparently they liked the Halle Berry movie. And is there anything really wrong with Jungle Sex? Unless it's gratuitous of course.

[Brian Wilkinson]

ouch. ouch ouch ouch.

oh well, I was glad to see Ian McKellen lose gracefully and having hugh jackman show up was cool as well. Give the supporting award to McKellen next year for sure.

[Deus Ex Chris]

Originally posted by Stormfreak
How disgusting - Affirmative Action at its worst. It's okay, though. The pride and dignity of the black American actress will rise again, despite Halle trying to tear it down.


And this is coming from someone who is a passionate member of a club that's sole purpose is to support the death of a comic book character.

May I ask what your definitions of pride and dignity are?

Halle deserves that award.

[junkeeb]

Originally posted by Stormfreak
How disgusting - Affirmative Action at its worst. It's okay, though. The pride and dignity of the black American actress will rise again, despite Halle trying to tear it down.

Props to my Rattlers for protesting, and my dawgs at everythingblack.com! I love my Halle Berry S*cks shirt - I'll be wearing it for days.

Hmm... this is a really offensive comment as well as your sig. Just cause Halle looks a certain way should have no baring on how talented and gifted she is and why she won the Academy Award. Her performance in Monster's Ball was gutsy, daring and incredibly effective. It showed her acting chops. She is a classy lady and just because she looks a certain way (which apparently you find offensive) is really not your business. She is who she is, she can't change that. But she can be a good actress and last night Oscar thought she was a damn good one and so do I!

C-ya, Junkeeb

[Silverbolt]

Originally posted by junkeeb


Hmm... this is a really offensive comment as well as your sig. Just cause Halle looks a certain way should have no baring on how talented and gifted she is and why she won the Academy Award. Her performance in Monster's Ball was gutsy, daring and incredibly effective. It showed her acting chops. She is a classy lady and just because she looks a certain way (which apparently you find offensive) is really not your business. She is who she is, she can't change that. But she can be a good actress and last night Oscar thought she was a damn good one and so do I!

C-ya, Junkeeb

Nicely said Junkeeb. Nicely said. And I totally agree.


NDpunkX

[Eric J. Moreels]

Originally posted by Stormfreak
Props to my Rattlers for protesting, and my dawgs at everythingblack.com! I love my Halle Berry S*cks shirt - I'll be wearing it for days.

Geez Jenn, you need to take a few valium and lie down for a bit I think, as your posts recently have become very abrasive and more than a little confrontational.

Just settle, okay?

[Stormfreak]

Originally posted by junkeeb
Hmm... this is a really offensive comment as well as your sig.

Thank you. The Essential Theater girls, as well as the Famuan, are using it for their new slogan. I'm quite proud. And you should see my Halle Berry S*cks shirt.

She is a classy lady and just because she looks a certain way (which apparently you find offensive) is really not your business.

Wow...you really think I have a problem with Halle being light-skinned, when my mother is of Portuguese and Sicilian decent, and my grandmother is white? Good call, junkeeb, damned good call.

[Stormfreak]

Originally posted by X-Fan


Geez Jenn, you need to take a few valium and lie down for a bit I think, as your posts recently have become very abrasive and more than a little confrontational.

Just settle, okay?

E:

It's very easy for other people to jump on my back because I'm the one with the outspoken views - the kid who goes against the grain. I wouldn't confront anyone if they didn't say crazy things like me having something against Halle because she's light, when my father is biracial and my mother's a quadroon, and my boyfriend is two shades whiter than chalk, straight out of Des Moines, Iowa, thinks Bush is going a great job, and wonders why on Earth am I wasting my talent at an all-black school.

For the record, E, you've never once seen me in confrontational mode. But I'll stay cool from here on out. I've said my piece - now I'll sliiiiiide like grease.

Jenn the Magnificent

[SkittleKicks]

I find your sig offensive for one reason...it puts that Pete-damned song in my head for the millionth time!

turn on radio

....this is how

punch button to change station

...you remind me

repeat

...is how

destroy radio


Anyway, since she's not going to logically defend herself up there, *eye roll*, I'll step in as logic girl to the rescue. It is hardly purely her skin color that SF is protesting. From what I have gathered, it is that she feels that:

A. Halle is a marginally decent actress at best, but her looks carry her through. (Beautiful face/body).

B. She takes on roles that, to SF, perpetuate common, engrained sterotypes of black women, and is now being congratulated for them.


Now, these aren't my views. I haven't seen Monster's Ball, so I can't make a good decision.

This is logic girl, signing off.

[Icemanfan21]

Warning: dark-skinned women, full-black women, women with class and dignity & Angela Bassett need not apply."


Sorry dude, I think this is what everybody had a problem with. It's nothing against outspoken views, or who your boyfriend or grandmother's uncle looks like. It's more a thing that this woman put herself into a creative position and your comments make that worthless. It's kind of like going to a creator's thread and telling them their work sucks.

[Stormfreak]

Originally posted by Chris Cool
And this is coming from someone who is a passionate member of a club that's sole purpose is to support the death of a comic book character.

He can't take the concept of a joke, but I need Valium. Go figure. It's because I'm tall, isn't it Eric? An for the record, that's the KICK Davey Cameron Club. You can clearly see that. :) :D

May I ask what your definitions of pride and dignity are?

It's very hard to explain in this particular situation. It revolves around race and history, and I have no desire to delve into that type on conversation on this particular board. I'll say this - Angela, Alfre, Lynn, Debra, Whoopi, and so on would've never sold their souls the way Halle sold hers.

The most touching thing last night: we have an Eternal Flame here at FAMU, and the ET girls stood around it. Some were crying (and not because they were happy.) To hear these beautiful black up-and-coming actresses swear that on that day, they solemnly pledged to never seel their souls for a scrap of metal, no matter how hard their jobs became, actually made me cry. I love these girls. I just pray that they will really live up to that.

[Stormfreak]

Originally posted by Icemanfan21
Sorry dude

First off, I'm a female.

It's more a thing that this woman put herself into a creative position and your comments make that worthless.

My comments do not lessen Halle's accomplishment - and it is most definitely an accomplishment. Not one that was earned as much as it was given, but it is hers, and no one can take that from her.

The 2nd 1/2 of the sig doesn't really refer to Halle as much as it does black women in general. It's more of a throwback to the thoughts of why the up-and-coming black actresses (as well as all the people on BET) have to be light skinned with "good" hair and so on. Believe me, Halle being light has never been an issue with me 97% of the time, and I apologize if you think I meant it like that.

PS to Suqueesha/SkittleKicks: Thanks. I knew someone would see it. ;) Just for you, I'll take that part out of my sig. (But not Nickleback out of my CD player.) And it's not just Halle. Denzel won for playing a crooked cop, Whoopi for being a con artist, Cuba, a show-off football star, Denzel again for get his butt whipped as a slave, Morgan Freeman for a jive-talking chauffeur, Sidney Poiter for being a handyman, and Halle for being...well, I can't say things like that here. Get where I'm going?

"Never made it as a wise man...couldn't cut it as a poor man stealin..."

[Icemanfan21]

Yeah, I get what you're saying and it's cool. It's just that not everybody knows things like that so it makes it hard to not take you posts as anything other than face value. Thanks for explaining. And dude, I call everybody dude.

[Kim S. August]

Originally posted by Valkyrie
I watched this last night and was soooo glad to see Halle win the Oscar. I've been pulling for her to win this since the nominations came out. No offense to Nicole, she's a good actress, but she's over rated where as Halle has been under rated for years. It's about time the spotlight shown on this talented actress and she finally received the recognition she so richly deserved.

-Val


I think it's great that Halle and Denzel won, because they are talented and most deserving of the awards bestowed upon them.

Yes, I admit I'm not fond of Halle's first turn as Storm, but she is a very, very good actress; hopefully she can bring this to the next X film.

Kim (oh Val, I can't stand Moulan Rouge)

[Icemanfan21]

Ah Kim, that's so sad as Moulin Rouge was another outstanding movie if only for its innovative visuals and mixing of old songs to create new ones. Ah well, this is completely off topic

[Stormfreak]

Originally posted by Icemanfan21
Yeah, I get what you're saying and it's cool. It's just that not everybody knows things like that so it makes it hard to not take you posts as anything other than face value.

It's hard being here. I forget that a lot of people do take my words at face value, as opposed to somewhere else, like this board I've modded for nearly five years now. I get frustrated because I'm like, "Don't they GET IT!?!?" and it's like, uh...no. I'm not the type of female who has a tendency to explain myself, so what I say can come off as something different. It was like when a couple of posters were accusing me of being a racist, and my friends were like, "But your boyfriend's white." And I'm like, Uh-huh. "And your grandmother is white." Yup. "And everyone knows you're marrying Paul McCartney." Uh-huh. "What, you're not going to bring that up?" Nah. Sometimes it's just not worth the effort, but I'm glad I explained myself here.

And dude, I call everybody dude.

Oh! Okay, then. :D

[Icemanfan21]

cool.

[junkeeb]

Originally posted by Stormfreak
Wow...you really think I have a problem with Halle being light-skinned, when my mother is of Portuguese and Sicilian decent, and my grandmother is white? Good call, junkeeb, damned good call.

I am not accussing you of anything I am merely reacting to your sig which says:

2003 Academy Award Want Ads
"WANTED: Black actress willing to act like a tramp. Must be willing to get naked with men. Bonus points for scenes of explicit jungle sex. Oscar is guaranteed. Warning: dark-skinned women, full-black women, women with class and dignity & Angela Bassett need not apply.

I find that an offensive statement. And yeah, you have no place to say whether Halle Barry earned her Oscar or not. It's not for you to judge no matter what your background is.

C-ya, Junkeeb

[Icemanfan21]

Here we go again...

Seriously though Junkeeb, go back and read the last coupla posts by Stormfreak and then maybe you can reevaluate your opinion. She convinced me that her feelings are genuine at least. Although, there is hte point of whether or not it was Earned. I mean, if Nicole Kidman won, it would've been for her role as a prostitute, so it could just be coincidence instead of marginalization. Maybe we should focus more on content of the role as opposed to the packaging it's wrapped up in?

[tekken21]

I have to agree with StormFreak. Halle should have excepted the award gracfully not make the academy look like a institution of racism. Although I believe she earned it, not because of the lifestyle of character, but the way she brought the character to life. Denzel excepted his award gracefully, and might I say above all else he deserved it.

The worst thing about the show was that the cutthroat Silas from Survivor Africa was handing out the awards. For those who don't know he was the guy on stage handing the actors the Oscars.

[junkeeb]

Originally posted by Icemanfan21
Here we go again...

Seriously though Junkeeb, go back and read the last coupla posts by Stormfreak and then maybe you can reevaluate your opinion. She convinced me that her feelings are genuine at least. Although, there is hte point of whether or not it was Earned.

I have no idea what you are talking about. ;) The statement alone was offensive, I wasn't accusing anyone of anything just merely pointing out what I found offensive. The statement didn't come with a 2 page explanation. And alone seems mean spirited. ;)

C-ya, Junkeeb

[David Santee]

Having not seen Monsters Ball, I'll stay out of the discussion on wether or not Halle deserves the Oscar, but the one movie I did see her in, X-men, she wasn't very good. I admit, the role wasn't one anyone would look good in, it was not very fleshed out. I think Halle didn't help her own cause with her acting though. I hope the next X-men movie alows her a chance at acting though, and Halle actually uses the chance.

Something I don't understand though. How did Halle "sell her soul for a scrap of metal". She's an actor, and she acted, just like I do my job and everybody else does thier job. Do we sell our souls because we earn a paycheck? Halle must have jumped at Monsters Ball, since there are few good rolls for women in movies this day. I think if you asked " Angela, Alfre, Lynn, Debra, Whoopi" all of them would have jumped at a good role, heck Whoopi did "Jumping Jack Flash", what was she thinking?

[Icemanfan21]

On page 2 of this thread, Stormfreak explains her reasons for making the statement. It sounds pretty good. And yes, it is offensive. So is saying your mom can't cook. I might have good reasons for it but it's still offensive. The thing is we can understand that ourselves without someone pointing it out. It doesn't further the discussion in any way, and just leads to arguments. At least we now know why Stormfreak feels the way she does.

[Neolithic]

heck Whoopi did "Jumping Jack Flash", what was she thinking?

That is one of my favorite movies. :D

:spidey:

[junkeeb]

Originally posted by Icemanfan21
On page 2 of this thread, Stormfreak explains her reasons for making the statement. It sounds pretty good. And yes, it is offensive. So is saying your mom can't cook. I might have good reasons for it but it's still offensive. The thing is we can understand that ourselves without someone pointing it out. It doesn't further the discussion in any way, and just leads to arguments. At least we now know why Stormfreak feels the way she does.

I saw the explanation, but that doesn't negate the remark. ;)

And I did explain why I found it offensive. Berry EARNED her Oscar cause she played a gutsy role and not cause of her skin color. To suggest otherwise or accuse her of not being gracious is disturbing. I don't remember folks getting up and arms when Tom Hanks won for Philadephia and made a speech on acceptance of Homesexuals. Strange we would be so critical of Berry.

That's just me and how I feel. I see what she meant, but it still doesn't hold water for me. Just cause Berry was light-skinned or whatever does not mean she was undeserving. That's how Berry looks she can't help that. And that has nothing to do with her performance plain and simple.

C-ya, Junkeeb

[tyran80]

Personally, i never saw Monster's Bowl, but based on past performances in past movies (The Flintstones is NOT one of them), Halle Berry can really act. And this year she won, and i say good for her. And as for Denzel, about time!!!!!

I loved the fact that Jeniffer Connelly got an Oscar as well (not only for A Beautiful Mind, but Requiem for a Dream as well), but something tells me i've just gone off topic.

[Icemanfan21]

Thanks Junkeeb...you've supported what you stated with backup arguments...that's what I was hoping you would do, because now people can understand what you mean as well as stormfreak means. We don't all come off as arrogant jerks.


P.S. Jennifer Connelly is a babe. And a great actress.

[Stormfreak]

originally posteb by Icemanfan21:
Here we go again...

No kidding, right? Drama begats drama, or at least that's what I was taught.

Originally posted by junkeeb
I find that an offensive statement. And yeah, you have no place to say whether Halle Barry earned her Oscar or not. It's not for you to judge no matter what your background is.

Funny thing, J. When I came to the US and became a citizen, I earned the right to pretty much judge whatever I wanted to without fear of persecution. When I grew older and signed a contract to bear arms for the United States against all enemies both foreign and domestic, it was to protect YOUR right to dump on me. Go figure.

My point: You have every right to be offended by my sig, but I have every right to have it there until told to take it down (which I'm sure someone will eventually order it down.) And to be honest, I don't know why you keep touching on it like I'm going to suddenly say, "OH GOD! Junkeeb doesn't like my sig! Let me rush and change it!" *shrugs* Whether or not you think my statements hold water mean about as much to me as...well, anyway. I'm not trying to be a jerk, I'm just saying. We can agree to disagree, right?

[fuzzyblue]

Opinions are important - that's why they're called opinions. (apologies to David Mamet)

Just because this thread hasn't been a Halle Berry love-fest doesn't mean there hasn't been value to the views expressed. All of them (even mine).

The only thing which truly offends me, SF, is that you're listening to that horrible Paul McCartney song.

[David Santee]

I hope nobody tells you to take down your avatar, Stormfreak. I think it's stupid, but I feel you should have the right to say what you want, just like I have the right to say it's stupid, offensive or rude. Heck, if rude statements were banned here at X-Fan, then half the posters would be banned.

BTW: Thank you, Stormfreak for protecting my rights to be a rude SOB.

I still don't understand why Halle 'sold her soul'

[blambert40]

Well I've just read all three pages of this thread today and here are my thoughts.

1)The woman earned her award plain and simple IMHO (don't care what anyone else says and frankly I don't think she does either because she won it. So you can fuss and yell all you won't but it ain't going to change.)

2)Ms. (can't remember her name, but the negative one) is entitled to her opinion as much as anyone else despite the fact that I strongly disagree with it and that she is only bringing down her people instead of building them up which is what I think she should be doing.

3)Halle is an actor. Plain and simple. She's got to eat and get payed like the rest of us. And for people to not play gritty roles would be wrong. Movies are a representation of life. Are there black prostitutes? Yes. Are there women that sleep around a lot? Yes. Are there good women who are proud and dignified? Yes. And the example of Angela Basset isn't all that grand IMO. Her role in Stella Got Her Groove Back was distasteful to me. Anyway back to the point. What I'm trying to see is if movies always showed dignified, graceful, moral, and righteous people would we even have watched the Oscars last night? I highly doubt it. To be quite honest though I don't care if people agree with me or not. And Junkeeb you really shouldn't stress yourself so much. All the negative comments in the world isn't going to take that Award from Denzel or Halle. Now that's a fact ladies and gentlemen!


Peace

[Icemanfan21]

I like the Paul McCartney song fuzzy! It reminds me of Eleanore Rigby and other old Beatles songs. And Thanks SF for getting what I was trying to do.

[Stormfreak]

Originally posted by fuzzyblue
The only thing which truly offends me, SF, is that you're listening to that horrible Paul McCartney song.

HEY! I LOVE that song, dammit! Just bought VS soundtrack just to have it. Paulie!!!! *swoons*

originally posted by blambert40
Ms. (can't remember her name, but the negative one) is entitled to her opinion as much as anyone else despite the fact that I strongly disagree with it and that she is only bringing down her people instead of building them up which is what I think she should be doing.

First off, you have NO idea what I do to uplift the race EVERY day of the week. Gushing over Halle doesn't constitute as being a soldier for the Cause.

Second, I'm don't fall for the Halle Berry/Clarence Thomas/OJ Simpson/Mike Tyson/R. Kelly "Back Black" syndrome. If I think you blow, I think you blow, and being black doesn't save you. I'm an equal opportunity basher, and I wouldn't have it any other way. That's why I'm the recipient of the Southern States Best Editorial Award. First place, too. :)

But you hit it right on the head - it doesn't matter who says what. The first black woman to receive the Oscar for best actress is Halle Berry. Period.

PS: You didn't like Stella? :o I loved Whoopi in that role, and Angie was fierce!

originally posted by SmashOgre
Thank you, Stormfreak for protecting my rights to be a rude SOB.

*thumbs up* It's your right inthe Constitution, I swear! US Army JAG Corps - HOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!

I still don't understand why Halle 'sold her soul'

And I told you, I won't delve into it here. It might offend the eyes of a couple of delicate posters. ;)

[Stormfreak]

I feel that, big nina. See, it's like my mum said. Vanessa Williams was the 1st black Miss America, and people tripped because she was 1) biracial, 2) light-skinned and 3) not the best contestant for the crown. But SOMEONE had to do it, heck. Did Vanessa deserve it? Mmmdunno. But it least the door wa sopen.

I look at it like this. Halle won. Great - not for Halle, but for everyone. Now, we can finally get off this "never had a black woman won" mystery that hung over the heads of the Oscars. The Academy can puff up their chests and pretend they've actually done something for the black community (and we can act sooooo grateful), Halle can actually feel that she's a *snicker* actress, and Denzel can FINALLY get some rest. And maybe - just maybe - we can get another black actress with a decent, respectable role, as opposed to a [fill in obscenity here], a gypsy con, and a slave.

[Conspirous]

I've been on the sidelines long enough.

Stormfreak, you are my girl. You are one of the few people at these boards that know me personally (as well as knows my real name) and I value your friendship, thoughts, talents, and opinions.

However...

I've been hesitant to comment on a lot of things that have been happening becuz I have a reputation for burning down friendship bridges for my in-your-face way of confronting people with the awful truth...and I have lost too many friends becuz of this. However, I would not be true to myself if I keep silent on the truth that stirs in my heart...

Never have I been more disgusted than I was reading through all of these posts, and everywhere else that people are crucifying Halle Berry. I know she is not the best black actress in the world. I truly know that. What sickens me is the reaction of you and so-called others at FAMU. I hope you are taking notes, becuz what people are doing to Halle right now, they may/will be doing the same thing to you.

Imagine the day, you have graduated from FAMU and are now a very prominent attorney/journalist. One day, you are awarded a Pulitzer prize for your gritty urban journalism or are promoted as Secretary of State or Secretary of Defense or even National Security Advisor, like Condoleeza Rice. After all your hard work, the years you studied...you finally get what you wanted, what you worked so hard for. You are doing what you love to do, what makes you happy. Your husband is proud of you, your children are proud of you, your parents are proud of you, to see where you are today. But most of all, the black community who you love so much, is proud of you. "There's a black woman in power in Washington...praise the lord!" Famu students cheer your name, tee shirts are made with your name on them, parents name their kids after you...everything in the black community is perfect...

Until the see your husband...

"WTF?!? She's married to a white man!?! Sellout b*tch!!!! That b*tch sold her soul just to get in power...I can't stand her!" Down go the "WE LOVE JENNIFER!" teeshirts and flags, up go the "DIE, JENNIFER, DIE!!" flags and shirts." Black law students and journalists across the country make a candlelight pledge to never sell out their race like Jennifer did. You went from being the most loved black women in America to being the most hated. And all you did to deserve being the most hated black woman in America was *LIVE YOUR LIVE, WORK DAMN HARD, AND BE HAPPY WITH YOURSELF*. They don't know you...all they know is the Jennifer they see on tv. They don't know how you struggled. They don't know the personal hardships you had to face. And they don't give a damn either. All they know is that you are married to a white man, who has asked you why you waste yourself at an all-black college(I could not believe you said that...did you ask your boyfriend "How exactly am I wasting myself at an all-black college? Or did you just laugh it off or say "I know I could go to "better" schools like Harvard but I choose to lower myself and go to FAMU, becuz the black community needs my talent). But none of that matters anymore...all that matters to the black community is that you sold out by marrying a white man, so you can get ahead in life. Is it fair that the blame is placed on you? Did you nominate *yourself* for those positions? NO! Did Halle nominate *herself* for best actress? NO! Should the black community be mad at Halle for winning? NO! Should the black community be mad at the *ACADEMY ITSELF AND THE VOTERS* for using Halle and setting us all up to divide ourselves and make fools of us, just like everybody else does? YES!

Step outside of yourself and look at you. Do you see what is happening? Do you see how easy it is for us to be manipulated like this? Who needs the damn KKK...we can hang our damn selves if they give us time. And you know what? We'll tie a noose around our own brother and hang him and not realize what the hell we're doing to ourselves until its too damn late.

You and other black people want to be the high class intellects in society? Prove it. Prove you can see who the REAL blame is. Prove you know who the REAL people you should be mad at, are. If I was a racist member of the Academy (not saying that they are racists), I'd be sitting back smoking a cigar, laughing at how easy it was to turn the wild animals against each other.

We as a people need to stop *REACTING* to sh*t and start *ACTING*! If we use half as much energy building up and supporting as we do tearing each other down, we would not be having this conversation and I would not be so f*cking ****ed off right now...

[Stormfreak]

THEY DO THAT NOW!!!!!!! Three black men JUMPED me because my boyfriend was white. I wound up in ER. I have members of my OWN STAFF that call me a white man's wh*re. So don't come to me with that, EVER, or I'll rip you a brand-new one.

I don't back black. That's what tearing us apart. Sure, Halle didn't deserve an Oscar, but she was a sista, so I can't comment? SHULLBIT! I'll bet you cheered when Clarence Thomas made the bench, didn't you?

As for what I told D as to why I attend an HBCU, that's between him and me. Let's just say I put ol boy in his place. You, BROTHA, have no input in that.

As for Condoleezza...well, that's what PMing is for.

[Conspirous]

I am not afraid of violent words that are threatened against me.

No, I didn't cheer when Clarence Thomas made the bench...and there is no need to call me an idiot. And as for you and "D" and what happened between you? My point exactly. It's none of my business, however, you were the one who brought it up...and I couldn't resist the urge to show everyone just how easily it is to emotionally manipulate someone(something im very good at) and remain calm and cool, while watching them fly off the handle and lose credibility and good judgement...just like the Academy did...by one comment alone, I got you to call me names and threaten me...

You say you are one who goes against the grain and stands on your own, but yet one of the first things you have done was state how "everyone" at FAMU feels the same as you do, even bringing up examples to back it up. That's hardly "going" against the grain, sweetheart...

[Stormfreak]

Originally posted by Conspirous
[B]No, I didn't cheer when Clarence Thomas made the bench...and there is no need to call me an idiot.

You're right. I was angry. That's why I edited my post.

And as for you and "D" and what happened between you? My point exactly. It's none of my business, however, you were the one who brought it up...and I couldn't resist the urge to show everyone just how easily it is to emotionally manipulate someone(something im very good at) and remain calm and cool, while watching them fly off the handle and lose credibility and good judgement...just like the Academy did...by one comment alone, I got you to call me names and threaten me...

Emotionally manipulate? Shullbit. You ain't my pops. And C, you've never seen me fly off the handle. You're giving yourself waaaaaay too much credit. And threaten you? Please. I've seen your picture. You look 3x my size. I doubt if you were intimidated.

You say you are one who goes against the grain and stands on your own, but yet one of the first things you have done was state how "everyone" at FAMU feels the same as you do, even bringing up examples to back it up. That's hardly "going" against the grain, sweetheart...

First, I'm not your sweetheart.

Second, the ETers, as well as others, went against the general PC "Wees so proud o'Halle an' huh Os-cah!" And I'm proud of them. Always will be. I had the opportunity to go ET this year and turned it down, but these actresses are like my family - more so, say, than the news staff.

[Tom 2TUM Toner]

guys, if we can get back on topic, thanks.

[Hail]

Ok, ok. I, much like Conspicuous here, I just have to enter the fray, possibly at my own peril. :) but it's not like I haven't done that before. I may seem like I'm indirectly responding to the stuff that was said, and I am. But I'm just using it as a springboard for my own opinions, giving my $3,234,874.093,987,987... cents about the whole thing. :)

I sort of see myself straddled between the two raging opinions. Firstly, Halle won it, and do i believe she won it based on merit? I can't say in verite (like I can say Russell did a dang good job in A Beautiful Mind, because I saw A Beautiful Mind), but judging by the numerous critics opinions who i do respect (don't respect and/or agree with 'em all) I think she did.

And I won't detract from her great performance, although I will have to think about it in a larger picture the way Stormfreak phrased it (I would be curious to understand also why you said what you did but it can wait until messaging or maybe at G&S), because I am a firm believer of a grander scale of influence something may have besides it's own individual intentions. I mean they celebrated Mr. Poitier's film history, and I remember from his bio that he chose not to do certain roles because of the impact they would have on African Americans and/or men. So he must have done that for a reason.

But I guess what I chaff at myself is that just because halle berry won the oscar for a great role does not equate her to being a great actor. I mean I know lots of you (not just here, but other places too ) believe her to be a great actor. But myself, when i hear that she is underrated, it just makes me want to laugh. But then i thought, hey maybe I am being a bit biased so i thought I would visit a site that gave a complete run-dowm of all of her film roles. Barring the pictures she acted as herself, i have seen roughly 1/4 of them. And I guess i will just have to agree to disagree with you guys, for i think she is an ok actress, in retrospect. I used to think she was good. I used to think she was really good at one time. But as the years progressed, and as she has added more films under her belt, I am now of the opinion that she is just ok. Nothing spectacular, and nothing terrible.

Granted, she has the ability to turn out some really great roles! Monster's ball is obviously one. But to me an actor is someone who loves the craft of acting, who likes it no matter, who has a passion for it. And a good actor sustains a certain amount of greatness or excellence in his or her roles, regardless of the film or the role itself. More often than not their roles are stellar. And I look at halle's career and I certainly could never say any such thing about her, nor can i from the numerous interviews and articles I've read about her. There's no role to small for an actor, a real actor. Sure they want better parts, we all would, but they take what they have and make it good. She said she was reduced to playing a superhero. Does not sound like a good work ethic.

Do you know who didn't necessarily start out as an actor, but who I thought could have been one who did very well? Aaliyah. she studied acting, and strived to better herself in it. Every role it seemed she did well with what she knew (in the few she had) and used that to move forward and challenge herself.

Truth be told, I have a hypothesis on Halle's acting. ironically, as much as she says she wants to be seen as just a plain actress, it's the roles that are ethnic issue driven, even if tangentially, that she seems to do the best in. perhaps it is coincidence, but Monster's ball, Dorothy Dangridge, as well as Jungle Fever, The Wedding, even Queenie (hey I liked Queenie :)), she did well, or at least pretty good in. It is the non-ethnic, matter of fact roles, that have nothing to do with ethnic politics that she seems to struggle in, if not outright stink. The Last Boyscout, Executive Decision, Strictly Business, and of course, XMEN come to mind. I mean, I didn't see The Rich Man's Wife, but I just heard horrid things about it. Boomerang is the only I genuinely liked her in of that kind of film. Again, just a hypothesis, but it does form an interesting pattern.

Just briefly about prejudices and the such. Is the Academy Awards biased? Hmm, can't say for sure I suppose, no one caught them on tape, like they did Texaco when they were amking those disparaging comments. And I think you can generally say that people in the arts tend to be less prejudice than say people working in construction. But on the same token, I find it a little hard to believe that after 75 years an Af-Am Woman was not ever deserving of the title best Actress!?! or best supporting for that matter, since it's not like there were a plethora of them either.

Also about the beauty thing, I'm pretty sure that she won based on her merit. Has her beauty helped her in cases where she would not have been helped if she didn't look like she does. I think it would be hard to say no to that, almost naive, when there are so many blatant ways in which society (American anyway) shows obvious and subtle bias in favor of those we think fit societal standards of beauty. just the fact that this is causing a brewhaha shows me that we (USA) have come a long way, but still has a way to go.

But to wrap this up an make it relevant to the board. :D What does this mean for Xmen? I don't know really. I'd like to think positively, but I'm quite pessimistic about it, although I fully understand I can be wrong. But she won the Golden Globe and I thought this would be good for her Storm role, and she bombed in so many ways I don't even want to restate 'em (I delineated my dislikes on numerous posts on the old board). So I 'm almost afraid she won this. She already thought the role was beneath her, will this mean she will think the role is even more beneath her? Yes, I read all the PR make-up stuff she has said regarding her initial BET interview. And it still seems pretty clear to me that she just doesn't get Storm.

So I don't know, in some ways, I would almost rather have her role limited like it was in the first film. The more airtime she has, the more of a chance she can completely butcher the character (right along with Singer et, all. Trust me I'm not laying the blame solely at her feet.) From the sparse, few comments that she has even said about the character, it just seems to me she is not about playing this character at all; she felt trapped into doing it, probably feels trapped now considering she signed on for all three, and probably at least to a certain extent feels a little of the heat from critics and fans alike. And it seems like she instead of being the essence of what Storm is, is trying to put onto Storm what she thinks she should be like, and how she thinks she should act. And I have heard or read nothing to contradict it. So this oscar is great for her personally. I'm glad for it for her. But that doesn't really take away the stink performance she did in Xmen (not saying anyone said it did, but just sharing, tis all).

At least for me, when she starts addressing fans more of the comic (like Sir Ian and others) and starts talking positively of Storm, letting on little things that I know she could have only picked up by reading the comics, then I'll see. Yes, I know she doesn't have to. But it spoke volumes to me of the actors that did. So her winning the Oscar has the ability to be a blessing or an irreversable curse as far as movie Storm is concerned. Here's to hoping that she actually shows up to filming the X-men this time (yep, I'm being sarcastic). Maybe she will feel obligated to at least do a decent job since she will have added scrutiny. Only time will tell.

Thanks!, and Phasing! :kitty:
hail

ps- Was anyone here at least a little disturbed by the fact that she could thank her lawyers, but couldn't thank the people she acted with in the film? the film wasn't made with her in a vacuum. She didn't make that film alone. I'm not saying she has to thank the third walk on handy-man or anything. But it seemed like she could have at least thanked her co-actor Billy Bob Thorton. Or did i miss it in her 5 minute speech. I don't think I did, and almost everyone usually does. When they don't it's an issue. (I remember the brewhaha that was caused when Ann Gilian (XFiles) never thanked David Duchovney, when he would thank her when he won stuff.

[fuzzyblue]

More people should thank their lawyers! Everyone thanks co-stars. Lawyers are the underappreciated, the wrongfully maligned, and it did my heart good that Halle thanked hers twice.

;)

[Stormfreak]

Daaaag, Hail. When on earth do you have time to post all this?

It's great to have other boards to discuss issues. We're still going strong on HB over at everythingblack.com. This one chick was like, "Halle won that award for all her hard work in the past." And I was like, "Oh yeah! Just like Denzel. I mean, who DIDN'T cry during BAPS, or tremble in Race The Sun, or just threw up your arms and cheered during The Flintstones?" LOL

Hail, for the record, Halle was never supposed to be Queen. Do you remember a fantastic actress named Jasmine Guy? Talk about your great talents. Well, Halle was cast to play a slave, and she whined and moaned SO MUCH that they recast her. Jasmine was reduced to playing Queen's mother (and still acted circles around that poor Halle. It was embarrasing. I remember a line when Halle says, 'Queen, you is a white girl now!' and I just fell out laughing because it was so awful. Lord.)

People are slamming Halle's speech from its theatrics to its self-serving undertone. I wouldn't know - I refused to listen to it. But you know what's going to really rock? Can anyone name the first black artist who won a GRAMMY? No? One day hopefully, the Oscars will be just that diverse. Now THAT will kick butt.

Hail, check out this article. I didn't agree with all of it, but it was really good.

http://www.salon.com/ent/movies/feature/2002/03/18/black_actress/

Hey fuzz! *waves wildly*

[DDMorgan]

Halle Berry's "performance" ofr thanking a few other past black actors--as a symbolic gesture for winning the Oscar for ALL black women--is ridiculous, egoist statement. Ms. Berry also implied that the award shows were racist until she won for Best Actress. Didn't she win since they decided she was the best actress?

Halle Berry didn't make black America look good at all.

RE: Halle Berry's Storm

I wasn't impressed with Halle Berry's Ororo Munroe. Rather than project Ororo's naivite about the world in general; Halle's Storm acted she has a terrible lobotomy gone wrong. Halle Berry is limited as an actor & her Storm shows Halle's flaws rather than her strengths.

Angela Bassett would've made a far superior Ororo Munroe. I can't even imagine Halle with Storm's mohawk & leather outfit. Why? Halle doesn't have Storm's attitude.

[Stormfreak]

Originally posted by DDMorgan
Halle Berry's "performance" ofr thanking a few other past black actors--as a symbolic gesture for winning the Oscar for ALL black women--is ridiculous, egoist statement.

*jumps up and applauds*

Ms. Berry also implied that the award shows were racist until she won for Best Actress. Didn't she win since they decided she was the best actress?

And now, all of a sudden, because SHE won, the Academy is no longer racist in her eyes. Riiiiiight. All it takes is one.

I adore Denzel. His sarcastic comment about Hollywood killing two birds with one stone was dead on. And Whoopi? "Now that we've gotten that out of the way..." Classic! My buddy wrote this: So is this how we 'plain the history to little girls who want to be actresses - "yes, Shaniquanette, there were three black actresses awarded oscars in the past 75 years -- two for being mammies and one for being a [deleted]. See, darling, you, too, can be an actress." HA!

You know what I don't understand? Supposedly the Academywas diverse, but Whoopi nailed them. Why were the actors in Sidney's tribute only black, and the tribute to Redford had only white actors? I think Redford's a great actor, and I'm sure there were some blacks who would've loved to speak on his behalf. Sidney is one of the greatest actors, period - did the Academy feel that white praise wasn't important enough? Did anyone else find that odd?

[tekken21]

People, those of you who seem to hate stormfreak for her comment need to back off. Far starters she is entitled to her own opinion. And if you think she was being a bitch for what she said about Halle then maybe you should go and read some of your own comments about her. Most of your comments about her were way worse than what she said about Halle. Talking about a double-standard.

[Neolithic]

I dont mind what it is that she is saying, she has a right to give her opinion, but it is how she is saying it. I don't like reading posts where the hatred and sarcasm contained within the post is tangible. I simply move on to posts with a more civil tone. :spidey:

[Tan K.]

I thought it was cool that Halle and Denzel won.

I did catch Denzel's two-birds comment. I thought it was pretty sly. I didn't watch that much of the Oscars so I missed Whoopi's comment.

I think the point that non- "black" actors were not asked to be in the tribute was great along with RRedford's in reverse. Actually, I thought it was kinda funny seeing Samuel L. Jackson looking serious after the Poitier tribute. I wonder if he was asked to speak on it?

That being said, even if the intention was a token gesture, they did do a great job. Denzel said it best (paraphrased) when he said that what's better than winning the awards are black people getting high caliber roles. That's the real accomplishment.

I have no problem with Halle or Denzel being this or that. Like I said, they deserved it, and I think they are both good actors. I guess at this point in human history, people, races, etc need to feel represented because there are those try to keep them in the background. I myself see the merit in their victory no matter the intention. However, in my own eyes, they were two humans who won the award. It'll be nice (if ever) when that is the rule rather than the exception.

Stormfreak, I've read enough of your posts to know where you are coming from. I may not agree with you. Sometimes I'll cringe in disgust or laugh because your views are awesome. No matter what, keep having fun.

[Stormfreak]

Originally posted by Neolithic
I dont mind what it is that she is saying, she has a right to give her opinion, but it is how she is saying it. I don't like reading posts where the hatred and sarcasm contained within the post is tangible. I simply move on to posts with a more civil tone. :spidey:

Good call, neo, and probably your best bet.

It reminds me of some of the Rattlers. I have a weekly column, and a lot of people really hate it. I can't blame them. But for all these kids running about talking "I hate that b*ch; I hate that sellout," come EVERY Thursday, their eyes are glued to page 6, 7, 8, or 9. You KNOW Stormfreak's gonna bring thunder. But you read it anyway, and you get offended AGAIN. (Not you, neo, I'm just speaking in general.) Wonder why that is? My capativating take on your language, perhaps?

pro, I wonder what was up with Samuel El? I think he knew the Oscars were a crock, and that was his way of showing his disdain. I noticed he hasn't said hardly anything about the wins. And I agree with you in which it's gonna be great when a minority wins an oscar and it won't be like, "There goes _____ _______, the 23rd African-American to win Best Slap in a Dramatic Role While Screaming, 'You Did This To Me!' here at the 3426th Oscars." I mean, the Grammys got there. I've never once heard anything like, "654 Blacks Win During Grammy Night; 132 go to Alicia Keys." :LOL:

[jujubes78]

Just a comment on the lawyer thing---

It's a good thing she thanked them--they were the ones who kept her out of jail over that hit-and-run accident that she did a while back.

While it may be unfair that other talented actresses like Angela Bassett, etc. may have been overlooked before---at least this is a step in the right direction. After all, Halle didn't get the Oscar for that movie she did with Jim Belushi, or her role in the Flinstones...
I don't particularly like her as a person or an actress, but her role in Monster's Ball was oustanding---did she deserve an Oscar for it? Honestly, I would've rather seen it go to Nicole Kidman. But looking at 80 years of backhistory slighting; I'm glad it went to Halle. Which is not to say that she only got it because of minority-slighting before this--and that she only deserved to get it it because of that...I'm just saying that I'm glad she got it, when I look at what went on before...

[Andy James]

well done halle!
oh.. this post is just so much bigger than me...
guess it wasnt for her accent in x men then...
and the oscar for worst accent goes to halle berry.
i thought she was great in swordfish though and man is she hot!!!
well done

[Stormfreak]

Originally posted by nova
guess it wasnt for her accent in x men then...

I'm telling you, nova. It's a retro-Oscar for her riveting role in BAPS. :LOL:

[Jennifer de Vries]

*Browses through all the negativity and hatred*

Phew, that was quite a task... Nag nag nag, I say congratulations to Halle, I'm sure she deserved it.

[omegastorm]

Originally posted by ninamonkey
"I'm back in the saddle againnnn..." (apologies to all dead singing cowboys out there).

[QUOTE][B]Ahh, SF, you know how to sling your controversies around, don't you? That's why we love you. Tomorrow you'll have an opposite view point to stir up this black (IR?) kettle...;)

Gotta love a sista that can get everyone going.

Still, we can rejoice at today's milestone.
I think Denzel should've won for The Hurricane, but again, that's another stereotypical role of a black man in prison. I want to see the barrier completely broken one day, and see a person of color win Best Actress or Best Director or Best Actor for blockbuster roles that don't deal with stereotypical concepts--but that might be a while yet.

I feel you. I too think Denzel should have won for Hurricane. I mean Kevin Spacey is an amazing actor, but how hard is it to play a white man going through a mid life crisis?

For now, I'm ecstatic that both Halle & Denzel won, even if it seems like a "token" gift. Denzel might not have acted in the part of his career, but he deserved an Oscar for his talent, and his hard work, and for his previous snubs. Don't think Oscar does that? Oh, it does. Michael Caine waited ages for his, and the Oscar he finally received for the first time wasn't anywhere near his best work. But there ya go.

I am trying not to be that cynical. I hope it was not token. It does not seem that token because, if it was people would be satisfied. I dont know of any that are. I just want to see more roles where black actors get the chance to act them. Like Lawrence Fishburne in Matrix, he did an amazing job and that role was originally written for Val Kilmer.

Right now, I'm glad *someone* broke the barrier. We can only hope that this time she'll be strong enough to bring others equally good through the door with her.

I could not agree more. My hope is the same as yours.

Here's to all the women of color--no matter what's in the mix. Here's hoping we'll have better opportunities for Oscars, Emmys, Tonys, and Nebulas from here on out.

Raises champagne glass!
Its about time.

o

[omegastorm]

As to her winning the role and her comments. I feel like they were dead on. Was it egotistical? A little yeah, valid hell yeah. She has spent years and only part of the comment was self focused. When she said this honor was bigger than her she was right. She realized that every woman of color from Dandrige to Angela Basset, from Ming Na to whoever has felt the sting of constantly being ignored and now finally, hopefully that can be put to rest so that actresses of diverse races and ethnicities can get good roles. She had every right to speak her mind, and all those years of hurt, frustration, annoyance and everything else need to be expressed. She has gotten everyone talking about it and for that I am gratetful (spelling). That said Denzel's and Whoopi's comments were on the mark too. I hope the academy starts taking notes because in the next 25-30 years it is going to look really different.

o

[Stormfreak]

Originally posted by omegastorm
[B]As to her winning the role and her comments. I feel like they were dead on. Was it egotistical? A little yeah, valid hell yeah. She has spent years and only part of the comment was self focused. When she said this honor was bigger than her she was right. She realized that every woman of color from Dandrige to Angela Basset, from Ming Na to whoever has felt the sting of constantly being ignored and now finally, hopefully that can be put to rest so that actresses of diverse races and ethnicities can get good roles.

She forgot Pam Grier. :# I mean, c'mon. This was Foxy Brown. Coffee. SHEBA BABY!!!! If Halle can win an Oscar for playing a tramp, why couldn't Pam win for playing a prostitute? And what about Vivica Fox's riviting role in Two Can Play That Game? And while we're at it, get that little chick who played in Baby Boy! And where was LisaRaye for Player's Ball? It takes talent to table-dance. :LOL: Okay, now you know I'm teasing.

She had every right to speak her mind, and all those years of hurt, frustration, annoyance and everything else need to be expressed. She has gotten everyone talking about it and for that I am gratetful (spelling).

They're all talking because Halle is about as deep as a dimple on a golf ball.

That said Denzel's and Whoopi's comments were on the mark too. I hope the academy starts taking notes because in the next 25-30 years it is going to look really different.

And won't we have fun? The blending of Hollywood is going to kick some serious butt. I'm just happy that now Brian Singer has a reason to concentrate on Storm in X2. After all, he has an Oscar-winning actress playing the role. Talk about luck (for Brian). Now RuPaul will never get his chance.

[tekken21]

And won't we have fun? The blending of Hollywood is going to kick some serious butt. I'm just happy that now Brian Singer has a reason to concentrate on Storm in X2. After all, he has an Oscar-winning actress playing the role. Talk about luck (for Brian). Now RuPaul will never get his chance. [/B][/QUOTE]

Lol, I think you people might want to leave stormfreak alone. She seems very passionate about this and willing to fight for her opinion.

[omegastorm]

Originally posted by Stormfreak

And won't we have fun? The blending of Hollywood is going to kick some serious butt. I'm just happy that now Brian Singer has a reason to concentrate on Storm in X2. After all, he has an Oscar-winning actress playing the role. Talk about luck (for Brian). Now RuPaul will never get his chance.

Cute really cute.LOL. I look forward to the day where a lot of diversity in a film is applauded and sought after. Not every film needs to be diverse but there could be a lot more made. What's your beef with Halle? The way you talk about her, it makes me think she killed some family members or something?

o

[Stormfreak]

Originally posted by omegastorm
What's your beef with Halle? The way you talk about her, it makes me think she killed some family members or something?

Nah, she just does hit-and-runs and conveniently forgets. And you've got mail, O. My column, which will be published this Thursday in The Damn-uan - I mean, the Famuan. If I can find the one I wrote BEFORE the Oscars, I'll send that too. What people don't seem to understand is that I've never been a Halle fan. This ain't new.

[blambert40]

Originally posted by tekken20
And won't we have fun? The blending of Hollywood is going to kick some serious butt. I'm just happy that now Brian Singer has a reason to concentrate on Storm in X2. After all, he has an Oscar-winning actress playing the role. Talk about luck (for Brian). Now RuPaul will never get his chance.

Lol, I think you people might want to leave stormfreak alone. She seems very passionate about this and willing to fight for her opinion. [/B][/QUOTE]


Stormfreak breaks the rules plain and simple. I don't agree with a word that comes out of her mouth(so far but who knows we might be on the same side one day. she is that spastic), but i like her all the same. She's got spunk and she puts herself out on a limb. When she grows to be old and gray people will remember her.

And girl I didn't get the chance to say this but I'm very proud of the fact about how candid you are with your relationship with a white man. You go girl! Believe me if you would have lived where I do those three black boys would have been beat down by nine.

I hope there's no hard feelings over whatever this debate brings.

[omegastorm]

Originally posted by Stormfreak


Nah, she just does hit-and-runs and conveniently forgets. And you've got mail, O. My column, which will be published this Thursday in The Damn-uan - I mean, the Famuan. If I can find the one I wrote BEFORE the Oscars, I'll send that too. What people don't seem to understand is that I've never been a Halle fan. This ain't new.

I still dont understand what your beef with Halle is all about. So what she forgot she hit someone, heck she got almost 30 stitches out of it. What you gonna do? I know you have never been a fan, I am rather indifferent to her acting anyway. (I did not like her playing Storm in X-men) That role should have gone to Angela B. But I just want to know where your coming from.

o

[Stormfreak]

Originally posted by blambert40
And girl I didn't get the chance to say this but I'm very proud of the fact about how candid you are with your relationship with a white man. You go girl!

I'm still waiting on my Nobel Peace Prize. :LOL: Ah, Dae's my baby. God knows if anyone deserves an award for putting up with anyone, it's him. He's Republican, he's a Bush-lover, he's against Affirmative Action, thinks reparations are a joke, doesn't understand the purpose of HBCU's, etc, etc, etc. This ain't Eminem I'm dating. But aside from all that, he's my heart. What kind of man stands outside outside of an all-black school's female dorm screaming for his girlfriend to come down and dodging assorted objects thrown? MY baby, that's who! :love: I'll hate that rat bastard come next week, (ask 2TUM or Doop - we break up every week) but for now, we're in our good stage.

Believe me if you would have lived where I do those three black boys would have been beat down by nine.

I didn't mention the best part. The cops wanted to arrest me - while I was still in the ER bed, mind you - for cutting one of the guys w/a boxcutter. Assault w/a deadly weapon, they called it. :rolleyes: Luckily my stepdad (6'5"), my mum (6'0") and my grandfather (6'8") were there, and told the cops they may as well just leave before they lost their lives. (Of course, they told Dae the same thing, but I chalk it up to their grief. My pops is getting better. He's gone from "You still dating that blue-eyed [deleted]" to "You still dating that white boy?" Ahh, the leaps and bounds!)

I hope there's no hard feelings over whatever this debate brings.

Never! Not on my side, anyway. It's all gravy. I'm just waiting for Conspirous to confess that he still loves me. *taps foot impatiently*

[Stormfreak]

Originally posted by omegastorm
But I just want to know where your coming from.

And I'm telling you, this ain't the place to discuss it. If you got my e-mail, you have my addy. We'll talk there.

SF

[Conspirous]

Lol, I think you people might want to leave stormfreak alone. She seems very passionate about this and willing to fight for her opinion.

Twice you've said people should leave Stormfreak alone but who was attacking her between the two posts you made? Passionate people who are willing to fight for their opinions is the stuff that great debates are made of...what reason is there to stop debating with her? This is what mature adults do...it works well when people don't get personally offended and fight dirty, but thats a part of the business as well...

Stormfreak, I said Sweetheart, not "*MY* sweetheart"...its a term that I use often...damn...not everybody wants to hang you from a noose, certainly not me...I swear, a lot of you guys make the psychiatrist in me scream to be unleashed...but I learned that my natural gift to see through people, things, and events can sometimes be more of a curse than a blessing...

Back to the topic at hand. Like I said in my earlier post (those who bothered to find the point in it), Halle was used. And what's sad is that she doesn't even realize she was used. I hope she never does, becuz Halle does not possess a very strong spirit or will, one of the main reasons why she was miscast in X-Men. She'll likely kill herself...so she keeps herself rather safe in her illusion of how life is. But I admit, even though she was naive to the reality of the situation, it kinda moved me to see her so emotional...:blush:

But no, I dont blame Halle. I blame the Academy. I would have jumped for joy if both Halle and Denzel went up on stage, took their oscars in hand and wiped their butts with it and dropped it on the ground, with a farewell "f*ck you, Academy...i see right through you old b*stards..." spoken into the microphone...that's what I would have done. Maybe someday, if I get this part, i'll have my chance...

[Stormfreak]

Originally posted by Conspirous
Stormfreak, I said Sweetheart, not "*MY* sweetheart"...its a term that I use often...damn...not everybody wants to hang you from a noose, certainly not me...

Oh, I'll be your sweetheart. i'll be your succubus. I'll be your first, your last, your everythang. :LOL: Hugs, and sorry for flying off at you. Okay, I'm really not sorry. (Geez, I suck at this humility thing, don't I?)

I swear, a lot of you guys make the psychiatrist in me scream to be unleashed...but I learned that my natural gift to see through people, things, and events can sometimes be more of a curse than a blessing...

Have I mentioned how much I love your modesty?

But no, I dont blame Halle. I blame the Academy. I would have jumped for joy if both Halle and Denzel went up on stage, took their oscars in hand and wiped their butts with it and dropped it on the ground, with a farewell "f*ck you, Academy...i see right through you old b*stards..." spoken into the microphone...that's what I would have done. Maybe someday, if I get this part, i'll have my chance...

Ohhhh, C. You'll have a tough shot. How low are you willing to stoop to get an Oscar nod? Crack-smoking cop? Chauffeur? Handyman? Athlete? Won't matter. I'll still stand there w/my camera and notepad and smile, saying "I knew him when he was an anal-retentive X-Fan poster."

[omegastorm]

Originally posted by Conspirous

but I learned that my natural gift to see through people, things, and events can sometimes be more of a curse than a blessing...

Back to the topic at hand. Like I said in my earlier post (those who bothered to find the point in it), Halle was used. And what's sad is that she doesn't even realize she was used. I hope she never does, becuz Halle does not possess a very strong spirit or will, one of the main reasons why she was miscast in X-Men. She'll likely kill herself...so she keeps herself rather safe in her illusion of how life is. But I admit, even though she was naive to the reality of the situation, it kinda moved me to see her so emotional...:blush:

But no, I dont blame Halle. I blame the Academy. I would have jumped for joy if both Halle and Denzel went up on stage, took their oscars in hand and wiped their butts with it and dropped it on the ground, with a farewell "f*ck you, Academy...i see right through you old b*stards..." spoken into the microphone...that's what I would have done. Maybe someday, if I get this part, i'll have my chance...

Halle may or may not have been used and the academy may or may not continue to be a racist institution but there are better ways of making a statement than wiping your butt with your academy award. Heck they could go on TV saying they pawned it for quick change in case they did not get another good role or do something far better with it. Start multi-ethnic production companies and make their own films so that the academy will have to take notice. Or a whole number of things. Any of that would be better than what you suggested, even if it was a joke. (I am assuming it was not) But even if it was please come up with better/ more sophisticated forms of protesing than what you said in your post. I am gifted to see through BS too and its good to see someone else with that talent.
o

[Stormfreak]

Originally posted by omegastorm
Halle may or may not have been used...

She was, and the poor girl's too dumb to see it.

...and the academy may or may not continue to be a racist institution...

Not anymore. Didn't you watch the Oscars? Three Negros! THREE! Gee, I'll have to take back every bad thing I ever said about the Academy. Three whole Negroes! Well, two and a half. :LOL: jus' jivin', jus' jivin'.

...but there are better ways of making a statement than wiping your butt with your academy award.

Speak for yourself. We never have toilet paper in the dorms. I'm always stealing the rolls out of Tucker Hall. On occassion, an Oscar would be nice to have. Hopefully, they're the soft, absorbent kind that make you feel clean.

Heck they could go on TV saying they pawned it for quick change in case they did not get another good role or do something far better with it.

No they can't. Denzel's has been re-engraved to say Malcolm X, and Halle's has been redone to say Every Black Actress From Dorothy Dandridge to The Lady of Rage.

[Icemanfan21]

can somebody tell me what's so bad about playing a Crack-smoking cop? Chauffeur? Handyman? Athlete? I mean, those are great roles. There is a depth and range of character that is so much more than say, Denzel's role in John Q. I can;t imagine it will be very tough for him to play a concerned father driven to extremes to save his son's life. All he's got to do is think of what he'd do if somebody tried to kill his kid. But Training Day? How much work did he have to do in order to play that part convincingly? A lot I"m sure.

And if you really want to talk about stereotyping, how about films like American Pie, American Pie 2, Scream, I Know What You Did Last Summer, Sorority Boys, 40 Days and 40 Nights and a whole slew of others where white twenty-something males are seen as nothing more than beer-guzzling, skirt-chasers and white female twenty-somethings are seen as nothing more than beer-guzzling hos who enjoy the attention, then want to jerk their boyfriends around after teasing them with empty promises of sex?

And how come nobody talks about Billy-Bob Thornton's role in Monster's Ball? He plays an abusive husband/father and Berry plays an abusive wife/mother. But Thornton's not a sell-out? These roles are realistic situations in America but Berry sells out for portraying something that happens on a daily basis? I'm suddenly extremely confused.

[omegastorm]

Originally posted by Stormfreak


[QUOTE][B]She was, and the poor girl's too dumb to see it.
Again, ouch!


Not anymore. Didn't you watch the Oscars? Three Negros! THREE! Gee, I'll have to take back every bad thing I ever said about the Academy. Three whole Negroes! Well, two and a half. :LOL: jus' jivin', jus' jivin'.
LOL

Speak for yourself. We never have toilet paper in the dorms. I'm always stealing the rolls out of Tucker Hall. On occassion, an Oscar would be nice to have. Hopefully, they're the soft, absorbent kind that make you feel clean.

Wait, so your telling me you like cold, gold plated metal up your butt, that's just nasty. Aren't you afraid it will turn you green. Dont you know that's fake gold.

No they can't. Denzel's has been re-engraved to say Malcolm X, and Halle's has been redone to say Every Black Actress From Dorothy Dandridge to The Lady of Rage.

I would rather have his say Hurricane and Halle's say crackhead from New Jack City.

o

[Conspirous]

Anal retentive? STILL with the name-calling, SF? I must've really hit nerves yesterday...

Oh well...another one bites the dust...

[Icemanfan21]

I'm sorry SF and Omegastorm, I'm just really, really, really, confused about why you guys hate Halle Berry so much. I'm gonna PM SF my email so she can write me since she won't discuss it here.

[Icemanfan21]

Ah Conspirous, don't give up completely. My best friend for eight whole years didn't talk ot me for a whole year because of an argument she and I had and I was still best man in their wedding.

[David Santee]

Can we close this thread already?

[omegastorm]

Originally posted by Icemanfan21

[QUOTE]And if you really want to talk about stereotyping, how about films like American Pie, American Pie 2, Scream, I Know What You Did Last Summer, Sorority Boys, 40 Days and 40 Nights and a whole slew of others where white twenty-something males are seen as nothing more than beer-guzzling, skirt-chasers and white female twenty-somethings are seen as nothing more than beer-guzzling hos who enjoy the attention, then want to jerk their boyfriends around after teasing them with empty promises of sex?

I feel you. Can we see some intelligent white twenty somethings that are not all in frats. I realize its cool to poke fun @ stereotypes but I would love to see some intelligent roles for Barry and any other twenty something actor.

And how come nobody talks about Billy-Bob Thornton's role in Monster's Ball? He plays an abusive husband/father and Berry plays an abusive wife/mother. But Thornton's not a sell-out? These roles are realistic situations in America but Berry sells out for portraying something that happens on a daily basis? I'm suddenly extremely confused.

That said, I dont see that many roles where white men play someone that troubled. American History X comes to mind but how many other roles have we seen white men play? They range from sports star to everything.

o

[omegastorm]

Originally posted by Icemanfan21
I'm sorry SF and Omegastorm, I'm just really, really, really, confused about why you guys hate Halle Berry so much. I'm gonna PM SF my email so she can write me since she won't discuss it here.

I dont hate Halle, I am actually indifferent to her acting. I just like to tease a lot. I dont understand Jenn's hatred of her though.
o

[Conspirous]

Iceman, everything is cool...

No, im not modest, I'm honest. And honesty burns bridges...

[SkittleKicks]

No! Don't close the thread! No one's being a troll...let it go. We're mature adults here. Well, they are. I don't count.

[AngelinLeather]

Im glad Halle won I was hopeing she would!

[AngelinLeather]

Oh and she desurves it to. She's a good actress!:storm:

[Silverbolt]

Originally posted by AngelinLeather
Oh and she desurves it to. She's a good actress!:storm:


Same her, Im so Happy for her.



NDpunkX

[omegastorm]

Originally posted by AngelinLeather
Oh and she desurves it to. She's a good actress!:storm:

Me too
o

[David Santee]

I didn't mean that we needed to close this thread due to trollishness, but that the subject has been worn into the ground. Either:

1)Halle Berry is the worst Actress ever and sold her soul to get a gold plated(real gold, seen them in the factory they make them) statue that dosn't respect the Minorities:rolleyes:

Or:
2)Halle Berry deserved the Oscar, is the Greates actress ever and derserves to win every year.:rolleyes:

There is also the occasional flame from one person or annother for various reasons. None of these posts seem to be leading anywhere, so lets close up shop, unless we want to discuss how Halle's new haircut will effect X2 :D

[SkittleKicks]

Closing a thread due to the topic being worn is useless. People will just abandon it. Like they're doing now. See?

[Icemanfan21]

She wears a wig in XMen. You didn't thnk they stripped all of the color out of her hair and ironed it flat did you?

JK

[David Santee]

There are news items that the Storm character will have a new haircut, I can't find where i read it.

Personally, I hope it's the Mohawk!

[Silverbolt]

Originally posted by SmashOgre
There are news items that the Storm character will have a new haircut, I can't find where i read it.


Well it was first brought up in TRL, she stopped by the show to promote her current movie at the time which was Swordfish, I believe correct me if Im wrong, and Carson Daily (man I cant believe I know how to spell that name excuse me while I go puke.) asked her if she could say anything about X2 and she said she couldnt, that the only thing she would say was about the hair cut and then she also said that they would probably kill her for giving that out.


NDpunkX

[omegastorm]

Originally posted by NDpunkX



Well it was first brought up in TRL, she stopped by the show to promote her current movie at the time which was Swordfish, I believe correct me if Im wrong, and Carson Daily (man I cant believe I know how to spell that name excuse me while I go puke.) asked her if she could say anything about X2 and she said she couldnt, that the only thing she would say was about the hair cut and then she also said that they would probably kill her for giving that out.


NDpunkX

So you have secret feelings for Carson?
o

[Silverbolt]

Originally posted by omegastorm


So you have secret feelings for Carson?
o


Ew, no way I dont play for that team. I like my wemon and I like'm hot. Have you checked out my The Most Beautiful Woman Alive thread, pretty good I think.

NDpunkX

[Stormfreak]

Originally posted by Conspirous
[B]Anal retentive? STILL with the name-calling, SF? I must've really hit nerves yesterday...

*throws a stick at Conspirious* Whew, such CONCEIT!

O, I don't hate Halle. I mean, if she were on fire, I'd lift my leg to pee on her and put out the flames. *shrugs* Hatred is reserved for someone I once loved. I never loved Halle. So she doesn't get the respect of earning my hatred.

[jamienanberg]

I'll ignore the comments directed at Ms. Berry's acting skills and instead focus on another question - Now that she has an Oscar will they increase her role in the next X-men movie. It would seem in poor taste to give her five lines after she made history...

By the way, many actors have won Oscars for roles that weren't exactly uplifting...Kathy Bates won for Misery. Julia Roberts, Mira Sorvino, Jodie Foster, Elizabeth Shue, and Sharon Stone were all nominated for or won Oscars for playing prostitutes. Did anyone see Breaking the Waves...that was not a flattering role. I mean this year alone, Nicole Kidman basically played a prostitute. I don't think that people should complain about Halle Berry's Oscar winning (get used to that phrase, folks) role. Halle Berry - The best actress ever? No. The best actress this year? Definitely!

[omegastorm]

Originally posted by NDpunkX



Ew, no way I dont play for that team. I like my wemon and I like'm hot. Have you checked out my The Most Beautiful Woman Alive thread, pretty good I think.

NDpunkX

I was only joking.

Stormfreak,
email me and let me know what your beef with halle is. I accidently erased it the last time you sent it.

o

[Zachary Palisoc]

Originally posted by NDpunkX



Well it was first brought up in TRL, she stopped by the show to promote her current movie at the time which was Swordfish, I believe correct me if Im wrong, and Carson Daily (man I cant believe I know how to spell that name excuse me while I go puke.) asked her if she could say anything about X2 and she said she couldnt, that the only thing she would say was about the hair cut and then she also said that they would probably kill her for giving that out.


NDpunkX

*coughitsCarsonDALYcough* Yeah, I hate 'im too. ;) :p

[Stormfreak]

Originally posted by omegastorm
Stormfreak,
email me and let me know what your beef with halle is. I accidently erased it the last time you sent it.

You've got mail.

[omegastorm]

Originally posted by Zoner


*coughitsCarsonDALYcough* Yeah, I hate 'im too. ;) :p

Totally ot, Besides the fact he can be annoying why dont you like him? I am proud of Ms/Mrs Berry's win.

o

[Zachary Palisoc]

Originally posted by omegastorm


Totally ot, Besides the fact he can be annoying why dont you like him?

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He's too darn cute. But sometimes he's too, I don't know, what's the word? Sometimes the way he behaves and talks gets on my nerves! Also, I can't land guys like him. :(

The dislike thing for Carson Daly is not very easily explained. It's like scraping your fingernails across the blackboard. You hate the feeling of it, but at the same time, it sends a shiver up your spine.

Er... :rolleyes: Maybe I should stop talking now... :bamf:

Hey, you asked! :D

[omegastorm]

I did ask, not too much skin off my back.

o

[Magic Rabbit]

Seeing Halle Berry win the Academy Award was amazing. Her performance in Monster’s Ball was really one of the best performances I’ve seen in years. I hope she gets more fantastic roles like that one – her talent deserves it.

Magic Rabbit

“Hey! You took my soul!” – Zorak

[Andy James]

never thought about it like this, now X2 can say it has another oscar winner to add to its repitoir. maybe they will concentarte on storm like they did on rogue in the first film

[Hail]

Hi Everyone! :D

Wow, this thread is going on strong! Wheh!?

Ok Stormfreak, anti- up! :D Lay your cards on the table so that everyone can take a gander at them. I was initially going to do do the private message thing. But one, I can't access it from my job :( , and two, I think it would really give flesh to what you are saying. And I think it would benefit not only the posters, but the silent onlookers to see exactly what it is that fuels your um..shall we say...passionate posts! ;)

I'll take a stab at what I think you are saying and you tell me if I'm off or not. It's not that every af-am (African American) role has to be this great uplifting thing. But the problem lies in the diversity of the roles celebrated. I mean you can count the amount of af-ams on your hand (well maybe a hand a half a foot :)) and if all you see are certain roles then that begins to be a problem I think, because media and art, regardless of what they say, does make an impression on the greater public.

Yep, that's not to say it trumps, or that it is worse than any other stereotype. We can spin this a few different ways and address different things. I remeber when Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon was nominated, and Michelle Yo? (I forget her name) said there is still aproblem because why is it that the movie won all these accolades, but no actor was nominated even? And there have been many discussions about how women in general get the shaft when it comes to roles, pay, and the like as opposed to men.

So I say all of that to say, yeah I think the stereotype of the beer guzzling, post frat 20 something is tired, and a type that is used far far too often to it's detriment (not to mention I think a lot of those movies just suck, my opinion mind you). But at the sam time you also have a plethora of roles that don't do that. Some of these may be fuzzy, because what I think of as 20somethings may be 30somethings. :) But just off the top of my head, you had Pearl Harbor, and Ryan (brian?) Philippe who was in Gosford Park. The guy in the bedroom played a noble part it seemed. It seems there is more a variety of roles, and more of a chance to be rewarded for those roles.

The acadamy awards have celebrated Hanks in Philadelphia (like someone said) and Nick Cage in Leaving Las Vegas. And Kevin Spacey in American Beauty, he is sort of in the middle of those to me. And I actually really enjoyed Spacey in that, and thought it was inredibly difficult to portay that character as he was- always simultaneously loathed and liked, hated, and yet sympathized. I liked all of those roles actually in the film. There was a depth in all of them, some more some less.

Of course there is also the question of representation: do you make it the ideal, around 50%. Or do you make it closer to what is the norm, around 20%. And I'm just talking generally. Ideally it should be who is the best. But do you know how many movies come out? And it would seem naiive to not believe that the Academy members come from certain opinions, as highly touted as they are.

Here's an example. For best song, which it seem like the pickings are getting slimmer and slimmer. I enjoy Randy Newman, but I was feeling, Sting, Enya, Faith's and Pauls' pain. I thought any one of those songs were better and more poignant to the film (well maybe not Vanilla Sky :)). But when Soul Food came out, not only was it passed over for nominations (despite critical acclaim of the film) but not even the song "Mama" was nominated, which was better and more intrical (sp?) to the film than any song nominated if I recall correctly. Ebert & Siskel even disliked that, and said it was because it was from a film no one bothered to think about, so that's why no one (Academy members) noticed.

And even if you take ethinicity and gender out of the equation, Oscar has all kinds of biases. It has a bias against comedies, which is why when they nominate people like Renee it was a surprise. They are biased against sci-fi, which is why when they do nominate them it's exceptional. I think that's why in the past they were striving to make the Academy voting poool more diverse by age, knowledge, etc.

So I say you can argue both without disparaging the other. Is it a great thing that she won? Yep (it's funny though, no one is really arguing from what I have read about Denzy...I think its cause he's proven he actually has talent :D). But does that mean that the Academy is not flawed still and tainted with various biases, absolutely not!

Well, that's my partial take on the whole thing. Hey wait, I know what you're saying...."Partial Hail!, you've got to be kidding!" :)

Phasing, :kitty: Hail

[Hail]

Hi Again :)

I broke up my post because I didn't want this part to get lost.

Sorry, but to me, as a Storm fan, what does this have to do with Xmen to me? Absotively nada! Perhaps they will give her a bigger role like you guys have said. It would be in bad taste to give her like 5 lines (Actually I think I saw an actual count that listed them around 17, but that's including lines like "Yes." :rolleyes: ). But then again I thought it was in bad taste to shaft Storm and just about ALL the other characters like they did.

Sure this will mean they will use her as a big selling tool. Hey she's sexy and an oscar winner. Heck, she may even get billing over Hugh now, before I think she was second, after him. But will this added role/publicity be good for Storm? I just don't see it.

In short for once :p, I don't care if she wins an award in the next 50 movies. It still doesn't mean she either gets Storm, or can play her rich diversity, or can advocate for the character when other people on the crew don't see her richness (like Wolvie and Famke did for their characters).

Now, when she starts replying in interviews like "Wow I read X issues and found such great things about the character!" or "You know I have been listening to Storm fans, and although I think they are a bit fanatical in some areas, I see where there passion is coming from." Until other people begin to talk about her commitment on that film (because I read all kinds of interviews, and whereas other actors cited specific actors great things, they only referred to her genrally). Then that is when I think she will do a bang up job in X-Men and I'll be excited and hopeful.

I mean just the fact that she hated the role so much before, yet signed up to play it three times if it happens just tells me about her character. And I think it spoke volumes that she couldn't even even give lip service thanks to Billy Bob Thorton. I haven't heard her say a thing about him. I LOVED how Denz thanked Ethan, and they gave each other this smiling look. Halle just seems self-absorbed to me. And to me, someone who is self-absorbed is not a good match for my Stormy. (Then again Russel Crowe seems like a BIG fat jerk, but dang if he isn't one amazing actor).

Those are just my thoughts of the whole issue. Thanks for the long reads!

Phasing, :kitty:
Hail

p.s.- Hey Freaky, I remeber Jasmin Guy. I loved Jasmin Guy! And despite how the switch happened, I think in a way it was a good thing. I'm sure Jasmin could have played Queen, but could you see Halle as the knowledgable, self-sacrificing, nurturing mother? I think not. Look at how it played out in XMen and that's what she said she was doing! Scary.

[Stormfreak]

Originally posted by Hail


Ok Stormfreak, anti- up! :D Lay your cards on the table so that everyone can take a gander at them. I was initially going to do do the private message thing. But one, I can't access it from my job :( , and two, I think it would really give flesh to what you are saying. And I think it would benefit not only the posters, but the silent onlookers to see exactly what it is that fuels your um..shall we say...passionate posts! ;)

Sorry Hail, but no. The people I already want to discuss this with, I am, and in private. As for the rest, I could care less if they like what I say, or agree with it. It means nothing to me.

What part of I-don't-want-to-get-into-yet-ANOTHER-race-discussion did you not understand? People can't handle it. If you want to see a large group of people whine, b*tch, and moan all in one fell swoop, bring up race. I'm not gettng into this anymore. I'm tired on being X-Fan's Angry Black Female (TM), offending & intimidating delicate Caucasian posters. This ain't The Real World, and I ain't Tami/Cynthia/Kameelah/Aneesa/Coral/Nicole. :rolleyes: (And for the record, I loved every one of those chicks but Aneesa.)

[Icemanfan21]

And once again we get a prime example of somebody blasting their opinions, but when us "delicate Caucasian posters" ask questions in an attempt to understand and discuss, we get told we'll never understand.

[omegastorm]

To all the delicate white listeners and other people that dont understand where she is coming from please understand something. It is very draining for a single person to talk about something that is very painful, and conflict laden as race. Its one thing to ask questions, its another thing to continually bash someone over their head with your opinions. Understand that every post that is not from a similar vantage point as Stormfreaks wears on her. She does not need me to stand up for her, she is doing a great job of that herself but because of my respect for her I am doing it anyway. Understand that it is a draining, and I do mean a draining experience to always continually explain something that needs to be explained but people are not going to get. So even if you dont agree with her show some respect and ask her in private or better yet go talk to someone else or go put yourself in a similar position where you are one of the only ones saying something in a place that is borderline hostile to your point of view.

o

[Icemanfan21]

I really am sorry to everyone who finds this draining. I didn't mean to be pushy, offensive, or whatnot. But understand too, you wouldn't like being told you can't understand, simply becase you were born differently than somebody else. It's like an attack on a person's intelligence. If it's a problem, then fine I'll let it go. But please, don't tell someone they can't understand. Things like this take hard work and in the end I think it's worth it.

[Stormfreak]

Originally posted by Icemanfan21
And once again we get a prime example of somebody blasting their opinions, but when us "delicate Caucasian posters" ask questions in an attempt to understand and discuss, we get told we'll never understand.

More or less. I know that you cats would love for Stormfreak to go off on an Angry Black Woman (TM) tangent, but that's what e-mail is for. Forgive me for tring to keep even MORE hostile sh*t off the boards. The things I say are only going to incite a bigger "We Are The World" riot, and I don't feel like taking a part in it on a board LIKE THIS ONE.

And for the record, I didn't say "Only black posters can e-mail me;" in fact, John, I could've sworn you PMed me a few times last night. So you may want to get off that soapbox. And weren't you the one who took a shot at the HBCUs, mocking us for our lack of diversity?

[Miqque]

I certainly was happy with halle berry winning the Oscar, it was richly deserved for a difficult piece of work. I really wish Ian McKellen had won. Broadbent was quite good, but it took TWO people to play the role, don'tcha know?

Denzel and Hawke were okay in an okay film. it could have been better, certainly edited better.

Sidney Poitier gave a noble speech. How hard people worked to allow him to take the unique position of leadership he's had never was an issue for me. His prominence came about the time I was starting to watch more mature films (younger than you think, dagnabbit!). He put into perspective a time in my life where a black movie star was no big deal. Lots of folks of all kinds of colors and such around my life, and Poitier looked a whole lot like my dentist. So, he was a bit scary at first - not 'cause he was some sort of black dude, but because he was a big strong hard-assed dude who took no nonsense and had a voice like Charleton Heston wanted to have for playing Moses. (blasted Dennis Miller beer.) And he did look like my dentist.

Things have been hectic, so have been doing only minimal lurking. Howdy, Eric! Hi, all.

All in a a really long show. What WAS that Circe de Soliel thing? They usually make some sense.

And as a huge Lord of the Rings fan, it's the only time I can ever think of that the same film (okay, it's three three, three films in one! With a kazillion different DVDs coming out to suck fan money. Grrrr.) will be eligible for the same awards in three consecutive years. Lord, it's like baseball! We don't win this year, there is a next year!

Still, it should have been McKellen.

[omegastorm]

Originally posted by Miqque

Still, it should have been McKellen. [/B]

Amen!!!

o

[Stormfreak]

Originally posted by omegastorm


Amen!!!

o

Hell yeah! Sir Ian is the BOMB!!!!!

[Hail]

Originally posted by Stormfreak


Sorry Hail, but no. The people I already want to discuss this with, I am, and in private. As for the rest, I could care less if they like what I say, or agree with it. It means nothing to me.

What part of I-don't-want-to-get-into-yet-ANOTHER-race-discussion did you not understand? People can't handle it. If you want to see a large group of people whine, b*tch, and moan all in one fell swoop, bring up race. I'm not gettng into this anymore. I'm tired on being X-Fan's Angry Black Female (TM), offending & intimidating delicate Caucasian posters. This ain't The Real World, and I ain't Tami/Cynthia/Kameelah/Aneesa/Coral/Nicole. :rolleyes: (And for the record, I loved every one of those chicks but Aneesa.)

What part didn't I understand? None actually. I just figured that it would make for a better discussion to say it here and then work from there. And like I said before, I thought it would benifit those who may be following the thread but not posting. But hey, I asked since I didn't think it was brought up before, and it seemed like all the people who would disagree outright without listening were no longer posting. You said no, fine. I won't ask again.

Oh, and by the way, your Real World metaphor was lost on me because I don't watch it.

And also, OmegaStorm,



To all the delicate white listeners and other people that dont understand where she is coming from please understand something. It is very draining for a single person to talk about something that is very painful, and conflict laden as race. Its one thing to ask questions, its another thing to continually bash someone over their head with your opinions. Understand that every post that is not from a similar vantage point as Stormfreaks wears on her. She does not need me to stand up for her, she is doing a great job of that herself but because of my respect for her I am doing it anyway. Understand that it is a draining, and I do mean a draining experience to always continually explain something that needs to be explained but people are not going to get. So even if you dont agree with her show some respect and ask her in private or better yet go talk to someone else or go put yourself in a similar position where you are one of the only ones saying something in a place that is borderline hostile to your point of view.

I'll respond to this here, since you posted it here, but if you disagree feel free to message me. I'm not even sure if you are meaning this towards me, but you did pretty much say it was disrespectful to ask here here as opposed to in private, and I did specifically say that.

Seems to me like that comment was the easiest way to isolate, or alienate someone from ever hearing a point on something as complicated and laden with issues and sensitivity as ethnicity, not to mention other things. You tell them to put themselves in a similar position, and yet how do you know they have never been in a similar position? How can you assume that? Actually, I rephrase so it's not a question. You shouldn't assume that. Stormfreak mentioned earlier how people were judging her based on her post without knowing certain facets of her life that would outright contradict some of the theories. It shouldn't be ok to do with others. If you were including me in it (because I won't speak for other people specifically here), what do you know about me, my struggles and/or my issues, that would warrant you to say what I can and cannot understand about Stormfreak's position or posts?

Any position in which you are defending solely is difficult position to be in, regardless of whether it is frivolous or very substantial. And it seems to me that in reading the whole post that Stormfreak was not the only one who believed it, merely the more vocal at the time. You comment sounded good and courteous, but reminded me of Jemas's comment about Claremont. It was almost like a backhand.

I was only responding to the issues brought up in the thread. Like I said, I thought it proper on a forum discussing this to discuss it. So I could apologize if person(s) feel like its a draining topic, but not for discussing the issue...that's what I thought the board was for. I would have discussed nothing if this thread wasn't (well, maybe if it showed up somewhere else, as I have in past threads).

I'll end this without my adopted sig since judging by my earlier post it may be mistaken for frivolity. And again, if I've upset, you can message me, since that seems to be the way to go now. And I'll read them when I can get them open.

Thanks for listening,
Hail

[Stormfreak]

Hail,

All the women I listed were the Token Angry Black Woman (TM) on Real World. With the exception of Sharon (RW London), the black woman is always portrayed as angry, unable to get along with others, loud, abrasive and racist.

There have been 11 RW seasons. S1: Heather - ABW. S2: Tami - ABW. S3: no BW. S4: Sharon - way too sweet and loveable. S5) Cynthia - ABW. S6) Kameelah - ABW. S7 & S8) no BW. There was a biracial who didn't see her black side - they condered her crazy. S9) no BW. S10) Coral and Nicole. TWO ABW! S11) Anessa - ABW. I woon't even get into the portrayals of the black men. I say portrayals because it's obvious that RW is about as real as Britney Spears' rack. Editing can do anything.

As for isolating people, I'll say this: if X-Fan were a more open board, I'd discuss it freely. It's not. It's a ground for a bunch of PC people to get together and commend themselves for being above such petty things a race, sexuality and religion. However, if you go down to Harry's Hideaway, you'll see people's true colors. Rather than even bait that, I choose not to bring it up here. Not because I'm scared, but because the repercussions would be fatal. (Ain't that right, O?)

Besides, it's kind of hard to explain the infamous "You-can't-do-what-white-folks-do" motto that nearly every black child - American, African, Carribean or otherwise - is taught from the moment they can speak. It's also known as "representing your race." It applies all your life, well into adulthood, and it appiles with Halle.

SF

[Neolithic]

As for isolating people, I'll say this: if X-Fan were a more open board, I'd discuss it freely. It's not. It's a ground for a bunch of PC people to get together and commend themselves for being above such petty things a race, sexuality and religion.

You mean people who read comic books that promote defeating intollerance based on race, sexuality or religion? How your statement makes any sense is beyond me. Or do you mean people who don't quite agree with what you have to say? Insulting people isn't going to make them see your way any better, in fact, it will only further lessen your credibility on these boards.

I may not agree with everything you say, Storm, but going off like an "angry black woman" is coming off as being abrasive and disrespectful. :spidey:

[Brian Wilkinson]

*ducks