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Ryan Day
Apr 2, 2005, 01:38 am
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<b>Directed by:</B> Frank Miller, Robert Rodriguez & Quentin Tarantino

<b>Screenplay by:</b> Robert Rodriguez

<b>Cast:</b>
Jessica Alba .... Nancy Callahan
Rosario Dawson .... Gail
Elijah Wood .... Kevin
Bruce Willis .... John Hartigan
Benicio Del Toro .... Jack Rafferty
Michael Clarke Duncan .... Manute
Carla Gugino .... Lucille
Josh Hartnett .... The Salesman
Michael Madsen .... Bob
Jaime King .... Goldie/Wendy
Brittany Murphy .... Shellie
Clive Owen .... Dwight
Mickey Rourke .... Marv
Nick Stahl .... Junior/Yellow Bastard
Marley Shelton .... The Customer
Arie Verveen .... Murphy

Contrary to the beliefs of my ex-girlfriend, there really is such a thing as being too faithful.

Adapting any work from one medium to another is going to be difficult. The most common problem is going from book to film; it's virtually impossible to tell a 500-page story in a 2 hour movie. Most films simply whittle material until all that remains is the essence of the story. A few films go the other way, maintaining almost a slavish devotion to the original text. The Harry Potter films are a prime example of directors adapting books so literally that the essence of the works themselves become lost amid irrelevant details and the need to cram in every single scene.

But a comic book is not a regular book. Unlike novels, they rely on pictures to tell the story, with text to fill in the blanks. Theoretically, adaptations of comic books shouldn't be as difficult to adapt, since the essence of the work is easily transferable.

However, it's hard to say in practice, since there have been exceptionally few comic book adaptations. Oh, there have been plenty of films <i>based</I> on comic books. But very few adapt specific stories; they're usually adaptations of characters, concepts and themes, perhaps loosely based on one or two original stories. Prior to <i><b>Sin City</b></I>, the only real comic book adaptations have been <i>Ghost World</i>, <i>Road to Perdition</i>, and perhaps <i>American Splendor</i>. Possibly From Hell, but I'd really rather forget all about that.

At a glance, Frank Miller's work on <i><b>Sin City</b></I> seems perfect for adapting to the big screen. Miller's gorgeous black and white art plays like art house cinematography on the page: Big entrances, dynamic action, great angles and intense emotion. More than one observer has compared the pages to movie storyboards, and director Robert Rodriguez clearly picked up on that as well. With <i><b>Sin City</b></I>, a director doesn't need to spend as much time planning shots and sequences; Miller's done it all so well himself.

But while the visuals are ideal for film, one has to remember that Miller's work is highly idiosyncratic. The world of <i><b>Sin City</b></I> is a highly stylized one: It's full of hard-boiled criminals, beautiful femmes fatale and tough guys with codes of honour that would make samurai blush. It's a world largely based on the pulp detective films and novels of the first half of the last century; when reading the books, it's not hard to hear the voices of Humphrey Bogart, James Cagney, Mary Astor and Peter Lorre speaking aloud. It's a dynamic, somewhat eccentric narrative style that works marvellously on the page.

Unfortunately, it works horribly on the screen. Dialogue that reads great on paper can come off as cheesy and cliched when spoken aloud. There are few actors who can say "dame" repeatedly without sounding ridiculous. But the dialogue really isn't the problem; Miller & Rodriguez can get away with a lot because of the style of the film. While there are a few actors who can't pull it off, most of them know their stuff well enough to deliver their lines with the proper tone and flair.

Rosario Dawson in particular stands out with her performance as Gail, the dominatrix of Old Town. It's such a ridiculous role that it would be easy to slip into parody, but Dawson nails it with just the right mixture of drama and humour. Benicio Del Toro's drunken fratboy cop is just about perfect, and Brittany Murphy makes for a nice sultry barmaid. Though she doesn't get to speak, Devon Aoki is quite effective as the silent and lethal Miho. Jessica Alba doesn't get to do a whole lot of acting, but she certainly looks nice.

The three leads - Mickey Rourke, Bruce Willis and Clive Owen - are effective, if unexceptional; playing a stoic tough guy doesn't allow for a whole lot of acting versatility. Meanwhile, Jaime King's performance in the dual role of Wendy and Goldie is absolutely abysmal. She's the most wooden and cardboard actor in the film; she doesn't even manage to act stoic or angry. Of all the actors in the film, she seems to have the least idea of what it's all about.

The biggest problem is the narration. In the books, Miller's narration adds depth to the characters. Internal monologues allow the reader to learn more about their motivation, and it can fill in the blanks between static panels. In the film, though, it just gets in the way. There's almost a constant stream of narration for two thirds of the movie, and most of it is unnecessary. We don't need to hear characters telling us that they're upset, sad or angry; even the most amateur actor can handle that. We certainly don't need the characters telling us what is happening on screen: It's perfectly clear when an actor is reaching for a gun, coughing up blood or hitting somebody, yet all these things are explained.

Beyond the redundancy, though, the narration really does get in the way. Everyone keeps talking. They talk and talk and talk, and while some of it is relevant and interesting, eventually one just gets tired of listening to everyone talk. There's just as much, if not more narration in the books, but the nature of a comic book means it never gets in the way. The captions are off to the side, acting almost as an addendum to the images. In his attempt to be ultra-faithful to the original <i><b>Sin City</b></I> stories, Rodriguez has lost sight of one of the most important aspects: That Frank Miller is an exceptional visual storyteller. Miller never really <i>needed</I> words to tell his stories; they were just icing on the cake.

Despite the fixation on narration, Rodriguez is still an excellent storyteller himself. The visuals of <i><b>Sin City</b></I> are just as good as you'd expect from the combination of Miller and Rodriguez. They've truly given life to Sin City - the characters and setting all seem like they've been ripped from the pages of Miller's books. They occasionally stray too far towards caricature - Mickey Rourke gets lost behind Marv's prosthetic forehead and scars, and the titular Yellow Bastard looks a bit too silly to be truly menacing. But otherwise it's a dazzling visual adaptation, with exceptional design and some outstanding action sequences.

The nature of the visuals - the actors did their work in front of green screens, and CGI backgrounds were added in later - results in some problems. The backgrounds work, but other components don't: Despite everyone standing around in the rain and snow, no one's hair seems to get very wet. A few get slightly damp, but certainly not "walking around in the pouring rain for an hour" wet. Otherwise, the digital touches are nicely done: Certain aspects of characters - clothing, jewellery, glasses - are emphasized, and the touches of colour are dazzling against the grainy black and white.

It all looks great; if only everyone would shut up long enough for the audience to appreciate it. It's no surprise that the most effective sequences are those which cut back both on dialogue and narration; when Miller and Rodriguez let the story tell itself, instead of imposing an artificial and clumsy narrative, the movie really takes off.

The root of the problem - beyond a bizarre compulsion to tell the audience when a character is smoking a cigarette before he's even started smoking it - is that Miller and Rodriguez have been too ambitious in their scope. In amalgamating three of Miller's stories into the movie, they've clearly bitten off more than they can chew. Fitting three stories into two hours doesn't allow for any character development or natural evolution. The plot points are forced to come hard and fast, one after another. Like the excessive reliance on narration, this, too, is contrary to Miller's original work; he allows scenes to play out naturally, for characters to spend several pages doing simple things.

But here, there's no time to relax. There's no time to get to know the characters, either: No time to look at who these people are, or why they're willing to die for their respective causes. It's difficult to form any sort of emotional bond with these characters. Consequently, <i>The Big Fat Kill</I> portion of the story plays out the best, as it's the least reliant upon emotional reactions.

The shifting time frame is also somewhat puzzling. Those who've read the books won't have any problem, but newcomers to Miller's work may wonder why Marv and Kevin are seemingly re-appearing in Hartigan's section of the movie. They do so, obviously, because that's how the book was written, but there's no need for it in the movie.

It's curious, though, that for all the devotion to the original material, there are still a couple of odd deviations. For one thing, Bruce Willis doesn't look like he's sixty years old. He doesn't look like he's sixty-eight, either, and he certainly doesn't look like he could be Jessica Alba's grandfather. One would think that the simple solution would be to either a) cast another actor or b) change the script to reflect the fact that Bruce Willis is fifty, not sixty. One must also wonder why Kadie's, a country and western bar where strippers wear cowboy hats and play with lassoes, is playing electronic dance music.

Robert Rodriguez tried to do a very good thing. He found a work that spoke to him as an artist, and worked with the original author to create a film that genuinely respected and revered the source material. Unfortunately, he made two significant mistakes: He tried to do more than he should have, and he forgot that while they share many similarities, comics and films are still two very different mediums. He clearly had the best intentions, and one can hope that Rodriguez and other filmmakers will still see the value in respecting and properly adapting comics to the screen; there surely must be a happy middle ground between <i><b>Sin City</b></I> and <i>League of Extraordinary Gentlemen</i></b>. <i><b>Sin City</b></I> is a fascinating and ambitious experiment, but ultimately a disappointing one.


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Like the movie and want more? Disappointed and want to look at the books again? Read our Sin City reviews! (http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums/showthread.php?t=32936)

tormented_spawn
Apr 2, 2005, 02:00 am
Good review, Ryan. Since I haven't watched both, so I got to ask, Is Sin City better than Constantine?

RingoStarr
Apr 2, 2005, 02:02 am
I really enjoyed the movie.

Dylan McKay
Apr 2, 2005, 02:29 am
Wow! An honest, well written, unbiassed review of a comic movie by a comics fan. This may be a first. Colour me impressed. Bravo, Ryan! Bravo!

Kevin Sutton
Apr 2, 2005, 02:41 am
Now that is a review. It's definately more detailed than the one I read in the Globe and Mail this morning.

Blessed
Apr 2, 2005, 03:59 am
Impressive. Great review mate! Haven't seen the film yet, but i will.
I hope that i'm going to like it.

BoomBot
Apr 2, 2005, 04:03 am
Great review, Ryan. I only liked the movie a little more than you but disagreed with most of the factors that you thought were problems.

Some of the dialogue was awkward when spoken but most of it went well. I have to say I loved "The Hard Goodbye" the most from the film. Maybe it's because that's the only I've read so far. I thought Rourke was great as Marv and his dialogue sounded excellent. The narration wasn't a problem for me either. I can't explain why though but I suppose I just didn't notice those quirks.

I think one of the problems for me was that the action was a lot more over-the-top than it is in the books. It seemed like it went a lot more towards Kill Bill than just Pulp Fiction.

Still, it was enjoyable and definitely a lot better than Constantine.

Jordan T. Maxwell
Apr 2, 2005, 04:54 am
well, i can see some of Ryan's points. but i disagree with nearly all of them. i thoroughly enjoyed this movie. about the only thing i disliked was something i disliked from the book itself, which is the character of Yellow Bastard. i just don't find him to be an interesting character or villain, and not a worthy antagonist for such a great hero as Hartigan. but even still, Nick Stahl's performance was able to for the most part cancel out my distaste for the character and just enjoy it on a technical level. I would've liked to have seen a bit more distinction in the division of the stories (title cards can be fun. ;) ), and think A Dame To Kill For would've been a better inclusion than Yellow Bastard. i also thought it was problematic that Mickey Rourke's (what an unfortunate name to have in this movie :hmmm: ) Marv voice and Benicio Del Toro's Jackie Boy voice were a bit too similar. but Marv was awesome. Clive Owen nailed Dwight, as Rosario Dawson did with Gail. Bruce Willis may be a bit young for the role, but i think he did an awesome job as Hartigan. and Powers Boothe and Rutger Hauer made me wish we had more scenes with the senator and the cardinal. Elijah Wood as Kevin just had me smiling with how creepy and cool he was.

the movie is very stylized, in writing, performance and direction. and it's not going to appeal to everyone, i imagine (as it didn't appeal to Ryan). there's not much room for subtlety or nuance in the town without pity. but i saw it with a fellow long time Sin City fan who loved it (though was slightly less enthused than i) and a group of friends who were all new to the world and loved it just as much and wanted to borrow our copies of the books as soon as possible. it captures the tone and the attitude of the books so well...over the top, hard boiled, ultra violent and darkly romantic. i think a toned down or subtler approach would have cheated the movie and the audience of the Sin City experience. and maybe it's the actor in me...but i love the monologues. i remember reading them aloud as a middle and high school student when the books first came out because the words are just so beautiful and lyrical, that i HAD to say and hear them. so i'm glad that element was kept in. i think the number of people who don't enjoy this movie are going to be much much less than those who enjoy and/or love it.

(and yes, it has completely washed from my mind the atrocity of Constantine. thank God. also, Rodriguez has redeemed himself after the horrid mess of Once Upon a Time in Mexico)

on a personal note...it was kind of cool to see friends in the movie, as it was filmed here in Austin. my little sister Meggan's acting coach had a cut scene as the lawyer in the Hartigan interrogation (he's still there, just his lines are gone), and i was really excited...though not too surprised...to see an old friend of mine from massage school playing Dallas (Patricia Vonne, an awesome local musician. and, why it's not too surprising, Rodriguez's sister. she's also had cameos in Desperado and Spy Kids, that i know about). my buddy Jon was up to play Stuka, but the role ended up going to the hilarious Nicky Katt, who oddly enough wound up playing it exactly like my buddy Jon. :D we had the premiere here in town at the Paramount on Thursday night, and it was torture to have to walk past it on my way to rehearsals down the street. but i have seen it now. and i will most definitely see it again. awesome flick. :cool:

James Groves
Apr 2, 2005, 07:35 am
Hmmm. Interesting review. Different opinion than i've seen elsewhere...and the trailer looked amazing imo. It'll be another week or two before i get a chance to see this, so i'll just have to wait and see what it's like.

Wolverine
Apr 2, 2005, 09:26 am
Man I cannot wait to see this movie

Toga
Apr 2, 2005, 10:47 am
I myself went and saw it last night, and walked out feeling awkward. I havent read the books, havent been able to find them but thats probably not the problem now, but am a comic book nut like all of you so i had to see it. I had read lots of reviews of the books themseleves, that our great comiX-fan is supllying, and that of the movie on other sites. Just from the reviews on the books i got excited, this world of sin city sounded great, hard edge, great dialogue, beautiful scenery, and characterization to boot which i just love. In the online reviews i read, people can't saying how great it was because it stayed so close and true to frank millars work. so ya i was kinda jazzed, just like alot of you are or were.

Now i left feeling awkard becasue i just saw this stunning looking movie, just visualy appealing and beautiful, but at the same time, i felt like i didn't get to now any of the characters (except marv). It's like I wanted to like it but i just couldn't reach that level. There were just so many characters and stories invloved that it made loose interest quickley, i got bored with the movie during 'The Big Fat Kill' which i thought was the weakest of the stories. Maybe it was because of all the narration that was going on and the amount of characters we were paying attention to.

Now Jordan I know you loved all the dialogue and monologuing, and that stuff is good, but cherry cheescake is good too, but doesn't mean i need alot of it, its just to rich to take a large amount in. And as Jordan looked at this movie obviouisly as an actor, i looked at it as a director, well cause i'm a director. the thing that bothered me the most was how the stories were laid out. Not just the fact that 'the yellow bastard' started and finished the movie and threw ppl off (i know it threw my brother off, he thought Marv didn't die and got excited cause we thought he was the best in the movie). It was the fact that they didn't intermingle the some stories, you get this story then that story and finally the last story, and thats where i think the movie was too faithful to the book.

the acting i thoought was decnt enough. Marv stoodout in my mind as the best. Dwight was deffiently very good, didn't really see Gail as that good, but then again i didn't read the books so don't know the extent of her character. Nancy was just amazing to watch even if she didn't speak, and the supposed age of bruce willis to hartigan bugged me. and elijah wood was very good as kevin, but one question about him. When haritgan kills the yellow bastard, why wasn't kevin around to do anything about it, i mean we saw him, but that was it. It was like he was there so people would go, oh hey, theres that kevin guy, and thats it.

I wou;d gve this movie a 3 out of 5, and the review, a 5 out of 5, not for nitpicking like what i'm doing but, for telling it like it is.

James Groves
Apr 2, 2005, 11:00 am
Can we all remember spoiler tags please.

Cheers.

Ken Boehm
Apr 2, 2005, 11:38 am
There is absolutely no point in seeing the movie if you've read the books since it follows it that closely. I saw it last night and that's all I felt. Not only that, it was too over the top to where you didn't know if the actors were serious or joking around.

And another thing that annoyed me was the effects used. I hated Sky Captain because of those green screen acting and I don't like it here. Not only that, it looked very awkward when characters tried to walk from the foreground to the background or vice versa. Case in point, Marv carrying Wendy back to the car after dealing with Kevin. It looked as though he wasn't really going into the background and walking away from the camera but slowly shrinking himself to look like he was (remember when you were a kid and you would stand behind the couch to make it seem like you were going down an escalator? That what it looked like)

Jaime King was the worst actor of the bunch too. It seemed like she got the part just because she would show her chest and nothing more (something Jessica Alba wouldn't do as Nancy. Booooo! ;) )

Matt Lazorwitz
Apr 2, 2005, 01:13 pm
Truly wonderful review, but just as a point of fact, the movie is Road to Perdition, not road to Redemption

Alex Groff
Apr 2, 2005, 03:41 pm
I can see how the narration could be an annoyance, but I don't see how the lack of deep characters is an issue when the characters weren't that deep in the book either. But, that's just my opinion. I'm going to see it for a second time today or tomorrow-- its been two weeks, so my mind's a bit fuzzy on details-- so I'll have to think on it.

Still, $12 mil. opening day... not too shabby....

Jordan T. Maxwell
Apr 2, 2005, 03:44 pm
There is absolutely no point in seeing the movie if you've read the books since it follows it that closely. I saw it last night and that's all I felt. Not only that, it was too over the top to where you didn't know if the actors were serious or joking around.


riiiiiight...and if you've read Romeo and Juliet or Hamlet onstage, there's no point in seeing a film version of them either. :rolleyes:

Vyns
Apr 2, 2005, 03:48 pm
Jaime King was the worst actor of the bunch too. It seemed like she got the part just because she would show her chest and nothing more (something Jessica Alba wouldn't do as Nancy. Booooo! ;) )
It's because Jaime King used to be a runway model and some of the shows she did were topless ones. So it really isn't anything she hasn't done before.

Jordan T. Maxwell
Apr 2, 2005, 04:04 pm
personally, of all the nudity in the film, i found Carla Gugino's body to be the most...aesthetically pleasing. ;) which is fitting, because i always thought Lucille was incredibly attractive in the book.

Vyns
Apr 2, 2005, 04:06 pm
personally, of all the nudity in the film, i found Carla Gugino's body to be the most...aesthetically pleasing. ;) which is fitting, because i always thought Lucille was incredibly attractive in the book.
Amen!! brother.

BoomBot
Apr 2, 2005, 04:17 pm
Jaime King was casted because they tried to match the character to the books. Why didn't they go with another actress instead of Jessica Alba when she wanted to dress herself up? Try...because they thought she was the best possible match.

And yeah, Carla Gugino did look great. I think I just liked Jaime/Goldie a lot.

Kevin Sutton
Apr 3, 2005, 01:51 am
There is absolutely no point in seeing the movie if you've read the books since it follows it that closely. I saw it last night and that's all I felt.

While I don't think it's true that there's no reason to see a movie when its a straight adaptation; you do make a good point.

Film and other mediums never really have all the same elements and abilities in presentation. Consequently, it's extremely difficult for a straight adaptation to actually be a great film, and nearly impossible for it to be better than the original source material. Only when the directer takes some liberties with the presentation can they truly create something that reflects all a film can have to offer. (Granted, given Miller's preoccupation with recreating a film with his comic, this may not be asuch a huge flaw here)

BoomBot
Apr 3, 2005, 03:57 am
Yeah, I think it is a pretty dumb arguement.

Personally, I want to see comics into movies because I want to see how well actors can portray the characters and how the stories can come to life using effects and what not. With Sin City, it was great seeing Mickey Rourke say "the all-or-nothing days."

Nyssane
Apr 3, 2005, 11:57 pm
and i was really excited...though not too surprised...to see an old friend of mine from massage school playing Dallas (Patricia Vonne, an awesome local musician. and, why it's not too surprising, Rodriguez's sister. she's also had cameos in Desperado and Spy Kids, that i know about).

Yay, I loved Dallas! She was my favorite of the Old Town whores. :D Didn't she do a song for Once Upon a Time in Mexico or something?

Anyway, saw the movie on friday and LOVED it. My friend (who is a squeemish 17 year old girl who hates gore and nudity with a passion -- had to use Elijah Wood to reel her in) enjoyed the movie very much, as well, so that's saying something.

Angel
Apr 4, 2005, 12:06 am
I think that acting was great especially by Elijah Wood and Josh Hartnett. I only seemed to find one thing siad to be cheesy the comment about the big trunk.I'm pretty sure that isn't a spoiler because it is in the trailer right? :angel:

disturbed_dsmw
Apr 4, 2005, 12:09 am
I was incredibly impressed with the film. Most of the glitches mentioned in the review were easy for me to gloss over. The one thing that did stick out in my mind was the choice of Bruce Willis. I thought he did pretty well, but my first choice would have been Clint Eastwood. I think he IS Hartigan. Looks and that is most certainly how I pictured Hartigan, the Dirty Harry kinda cop. Other than that Sin City was excellent. I can't wait to see it again!

criess
Apr 4, 2005, 04:52 am
This movie is way too over the top! The violence was so excessive that the movie became a caricature and some audience members were actually laughing.

Also, the movie only has one note: Violence. Where is the mystery? The suspense? This movie needed to be tone-downed and some scenes should have been edited out. For example: Marv dragging that dudes face in the pavement. Just cut it. I know it was in the comic. But you don't have to be that faithful to the source material.

And, I totally agree that the movie tries to cover too much material. The movie doesn't breathe and it doesn't let the viewer up for air. How many people, that haven't read the story, realized why Goldie slept with Marv in the first place? And of them, how many actually cared? This movie just pours all this violence over us and never allows us to stop and actually care about the characters.

Jordan T. Maxwell
Apr 4, 2005, 10:09 am
This movie is way too over the top! The violence was so excessive that the movie became a caricature and some audience members were actually laughing.

Also, the movie only has one note: Violence. Where is the mystery? The suspense? This movie needed to be tone-downed and some scenes should have been edited out. For example: Marv dragging that dudes face in the pavement. Just cut it. I know it was in the comic. But you don't have to be that faithful to the source material.

And, I totally agree that the movie tries to cover too much material. The movie doesn't breathe and it doesn't let the viewer up for air. How many people, that haven't read the story, realized why Goldie slept with Marv in the first place? And of them, how many actually cared? This movie just pours all this violence over us and never allows us to stop and actually care about the characters.

of course they were laughing at the violence. they're supposed to laugh at the violence. it's over the top and cartoonish. that's one of the most consistent tropes of the comic. if they hadn't included that element, it wouldn't have been Sin City. it would've just been some atmospheric homage to Spillane and Chandler. and really, if you can't find the mystery or the suspense, the dark romanticism and nobility of these corrupted heroes and heroines, then you're just not looking. i think the film did a fine job of making you give a damn about these characters and explaining things. no one i walked out of the theatre with needed anything explained to them and they all loved the characters (though now it has expanded the ongoing debate of Marv vs. Dwight from just my comics reading friends to my non-comics reading friends as wel). yes, it's ultra violent. yes, it's filled with gratuitous sex and nudity. welcome to Sin City.

criess
Apr 4, 2005, 01:31 pm
I think Ryan (the original reviewer) nails it when he says Frank and the gang tried to cover too much material with this movie.

If you read "The Hard Goodbye", Chapter 1 ends with Marv saying "No reason to play it any way but my way". Realize that the story originally came out in monthly installments in Dark Horse Presents. How cool is it to read that line and then have to wait a month or more to find out the answers to:

- Did Goldie just die in her sleep? Or was she murdered?
- Why did a goddess like Goldie sleep with a man like Marv?

The serialized comic book format inherently adds suspense and mystery that doesn't necessarily transfer to the big screen.

In fact, the movie for some inexplicable reason, shows us Kevin right away. One of the themes in "The Hard Goodbye" is that Marv is delusional. But once the audience sees Kevin, any mystery surrounding Goldies death is dispelled.

It only takes about 15 mins of screen time before we know the answers to the above questions. I wonder how different the movie would have been if they just took a single story instead of trying to do three.

spam
Apr 4, 2005, 03:35 pm
Ehh, I pretty much disagree with the review on most points. I really enjoyed the movie, more than I thought I would in fact. If you haven't seen it, go see it, where you like it or hate it I don't think you'll regret going - the visuals alone are worth the price of entry.

Jordan T. Maxwell
Apr 4, 2005, 05:25 pm
I think Ryan (the original reviewer) nails it when he says Frank and the gang tried to cover too much material with this movie.

If you read "The Hard Goodbye", Chapter 1 ends with Marv saying "No reason to play it any way but my way". Realize that the story originally came out in monthly installments in Dark Horse Presents. How cool is it to read that line and then have to wait a month or more to find out the answers to:

- Did Goldie just die in her sleep? Or was she murdered?
- Why did a goddess like Goldie sleep with a man like Marv?

The serialized comic book format inherently adds suspense and mystery that doesn't necessarily transfer to the big screen.

that's like saying reading the book in trade robs it of suspense and mystery because you don't have to wait a month between the ending of one scene and the beginning of another. the story also has inherent suspense that builds up over the course of the story, not just cliffhangers at the end of chapter beats.


In fact, the movie for some inexplicable reason, shows us Kevin right away. One of the themes in "The Hard Goodbye" is that Marv is delusional. But once the audience sees Kevin, any mystery surrounding Goldies death is dispelled.

It only takes about 15 mins of screen time before we know the answers to the above questions. I wonder how different the movie would have been if they just took a single story instead of trying to do three.

and unless you're a comics fan and already know who Kevin is...in which case there is no mystery to these stories anyway because you've already read them...then you're left with the mystery of who the hell this kid was as well as the conspiracy operating behind him. no, you don't get the same "maybe Marv's delusional and this is all in his head and he just killed a whore one night" element that is slightly hinted at in the comic...but it's so subtextual it's barely even missed here. it's not like they skipped over a major plot point or theme.

BoomBot
Apr 4, 2005, 05:54 pm
of course they were laughing at the violence. they're supposed to laugh at the violence. it's over the top and cartoonish.Like I said, I didn't like the over-the-top violence. When I read "The Hard Goodbye", the violence didn't seem nearly as over-the-top. Not that it's not extreme, it's just not so wacky. Then again, I didn't see that as much when watching "The Hard Goodbye" but the rest did contain that element. Maybe when I read them, they'll be a lot like that.

For those saying the movie tried to do to much with three stories, I have to disagree. One of those stories could hardly fill a movie. One would probably take a hour at most and you'd probably have to stretch it. I guess you could do two but that wouldn't be as enjoyable.

The more I remember this movie, the more I love it.

John Gleason
Apr 4, 2005, 06:41 pm
My friends and I loved the movie. I did not get to read any of the Sin City comics until the night after I saw the movie, and it didn't make think any lower of the movie. I thought it was a truly amazing adaption.

Babieboy1981
Apr 4, 2005, 10:53 pm
This was the best review of Sin City I have read. It seems like so many reviewers are tripping over themselves over this movie simply because its based of a comic book. It was alright, but it wasn't that great. Having read the books, it was kind of boring after an hour when everything was panel for panel from the book. After the appeal of the style wore off, there wasn't much there. I think one thing that really let me down was having this movie compared to Pulp Fiction before I saw it, and it was nothing like Pulp Fiction.

psyborg
Apr 5, 2005, 02:14 am
I swear, sometimes i read stuff on this website that makes me wonder why i even bother..."if you read the books, dont bother with the movie cuz its just the same thing" or whatever.

if you want to pick the movie apart for being too close to the comic book, then i suggest you take a look at the garbage being thrown up and passed off as a comic book movie knowadays. i guess it goes to show you, people who like good comics can still have bad taste in movies. holy missing the point batman! yea Miller really screwed up with this one...i think i will go watch Catwoman now.

Babieboy1981
Apr 5, 2005, 04:21 pm
It's not picking the movie apart to say it was too close to the books. I tihnk it's a very valid point. If a director brings notihng new to the table, it seems pointless. Sure, if I would have never read Sin City I would have enjoyed this movie a lot more, but when there is notihng fresh about the movie, it makes it hard to feel as good about it. Part of the joy of seeing other works brought to film is wanting to see how certain scenes are going to be brough to life. When these scenes are basically the same as the panels in the comic, it feels empty. I love film nior and crime movies, but this one felt stale.

Ryan Day
Apr 5, 2005, 04:43 pm
There's an important distinction to make here. Sin City may be a good adaptation, but that doesn't make it a good movie. Comics and movies are similar, but not identical; what works in one won't necessarily work in the other.

To be honest, I'd rather watch a good movie than a good adaptation any day.

One of the problems is that Sin City spends so much time on the details that it misses the bigger picture. The pacing, in particular, bothered me: It was very go-go-go! for the whole movie. The books, on the other hand, have a very slow and deliberate pace at times. Miller spends 10 pages drawing Marv walking around in the rain, and 5 pages to show Hartigan entering the Barn. Because the film tried to cram in so much material, things like that were overlooked.

For all my complaints, though, Sin City is worth seeing. It's not perfect, but fans of the books will certainly find something they like. The visuals, for example, are stunning - I was amazed by the very opening shot.

Jordan T. Maxwell
Apr 5, 2005, 05:17 pm
non-fans will enjoy it as well. of the group of seven friends i went with to go see it, only myself and another were longtime fans of the book and another had just read Hard Goodbye after i'd leant it to her. but they ALL loved it. already one or two are talking about wanting to go see it again and asking about the books and wanting to know more. and it takes quite a bit to impress my friends. we're all writers, actors, directors...we've worked in theatre and in film. so if they're as wowed as i am, then i know it's not just fanboy glee that has me loving this film. it's both a good adaptation (more apt to say "translation") AND a good movie.

Anand Khatri
Apr 5, 2005, 05:17 pm
I thorughly enjoyed this movie and fully recommend it to anybody who doesn't get offended easily.

btw...Great Review! :D

James Groves
Jul 2, 2005, 04:01 pm
I've finally seen this movie at the cinema and i thought it was breathtaking. Brilliant movie. I'd give it 9/10. Everything was nigh on perfect. Mickey Rourke owned the movie. If i had any qualms, it would be regarding Bruce Willis as Hartigan...a little too young looking for the character, but this is only a minor issue...and the splitting up of That Yellow Bastard into two halves that served to bookend the movie. The storyline of That Yellow Bastard felt a little disjointed as a result, for me. But to be honest, i have no real complaints. Fantastic movie. And if Miller's looking to do a sequel, then i'm very much looking forward to it.

I actually enjoyed this moreso that Batman Begins which i saw on the same day. I'd give Batman Begins 8/9 out of 10. I'd give Sin City 9/10.

And Jessica Alba...is gorgeous. :)

Anand Khatri
Jul 4, 2005, 03:33 pm
And Jessica Alba...is gorgeous. :)

I couldn't agree more. :yeah:

Mr. Green
Jul 6, 2005, 02:59 am
I thought this was one of the greatest movies EVER. Well, I guess I might as well take it upon myself to say: HORRIBLE review.

harlekein
Jul 6, 2005, 08:14 pm
Liked the review, hated the movie.

Visually, it was utterly stunning. There really was nothing bad in that department, but my friends and I were just going ape-**** laughing about all of the stuff that happened. It never gave you time to breathe, and it felt directionless, storyless.

It's one big fat kill-movie. Its all they ever really did, kill after kill, after kill. Never even bothered to watch the ending.

James Groves
Jul 6, 2005, 08:35 pm
Personally, I would say that Sin City is exactly the sort of film that widescreen cinema was made for.

wolviechickie
Jul 22, 2005, 01:50 am
I thought the movie was Brillaint...although ryan did make some good points but I wasnt fussed my the bialogue and I understood why the other characters were in Hartigans story...