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Jim Lemoine
Apr 12, 2004, 04:58 pm
<img src="http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/logos/dittol_logo.gif" align=left border=0 alt="Did I Think That Out Loud?!? logo">By Jim Lemoine, jimlemoine@comixfan.cjb.net

Chuck Austen Is Not In This Column

At Marvel Comics, stagnation is dead and the future is now: The times, they are a'changin'.

There's a big X relaunch going on, complete with realigned team rosters, new costumes, and a new status quo going forward for all things related to the X. Excitement is high about the upcoming new ongoing X-Men title by a superstar creative dream team, one that has the comics press all aflutter and internet X-Men fans salivating heavily (even though we know the creative team is only together for a limited run). This new "core" X-Men title will naturally be headlined by X-stalwarts Cyclops and Wolverine, but Jean Grey will be conspicuously absent. Word has it that this team will be a more active one, and less like the reactive, hidden-behind-the-curtain team we've seen for the last few years. Rumor says that it'll also have a solid, core membership, as opposed to what's seemed to be an ever-changing and growing roster for the last few years.

That most popular of all mutants, Wolverine will be returning to his classic yellow costume and we'll be seeing him wearing it in several upcoming guest appearances and crossovers. The Wolverine series itself is getting a major push in publicity, but despite the new costume, we can probably expect the title to retain the same feel that it's had for the past year or so. Rumor has it that we'll see yet another Wolverine/Punisher crossover.

The word "Excalibur" will once again have meaning for X-fans after this creative revamp: a retooled Excalibur series is getting a lot of press. The series will ignore some of the substandard writing that plagued Excalibur in the past, and will focus on popular characters acting separately from the X-Men in more of a global setting. The cover of the series' first issue with this new direction has been circulated throughout the comics press, and it's easy to see what the focus and feel of the series will be based on that artwork.

Over the past few years, a lot of characters have left the X-Men, joined the X-Men, and switched from team to team; this revamp promises to bring the characters back where they belong. Rogue, for instance, who's been on and off the X-Men a bit for the past couple of years running around with her paramour, will be affirmed in a solid spot in a core team roster. Shadowcat, similarly, will hold onto her position in the spotlight after her own absence from the mutant titles. Havok and Polaris, who have been in and out of the spotlight recently, will be the cornerstones of one of the new X-teams, and fan-favorites Rogue and Gambit will also be placed together in one book. Rachel Summers is going to see some time in the spotlight again, and yes, we'll be seeing tons of Wolverine.

A lot of people are also excited about Rob Liefeld's new X-Force series, one that promises to unite the team from the series that preceded it, including Cable, Domino, and Shatterstar. There's little word so far on what exactly the plot will be for the series, but it seems safe to guess that Cable will head an operation completely separate from Xavier's core teams, one that won't be afraid to use slightly different methods to accomplish their goals. Fans are sharply divided over this upcoming title by Fabian Nicieza and Rob Liefeld.

Although details are still a bit sketchy, fans of one of Marvel's best non-X books (y'know, the one with Rick Jones?) are stoked about word that Peter David (currently writing one of the company's most critically acclaimed titles) will be on some kind of X-project in the near future.

You can expect to see an enhanced focus on the Weapon X project in the coming months, with Wolverine investigating and learning secrets about his past that he's never known before. What is the Weapon X Program? What is its relationship to the shadowy past of Wolverine? And what did Wolverine recently learn about himself that threatens to destroy everything he believes in? Big changes are in store, and this is a great chance to jump onboard!

So whether you're looking for a classic X-Men team that reunites some of your favorite mutant characters, or a brand new series that spotlights the adventures of the younger mutants, there seems to be something in this brand new mutant relaunch for everybody. And to help you get adjusted to the new X-status-quo, Marvel is releasing several handbooks, guides, and reference books to make the transition to the new X-world easier (and to make a few quick bucks, of course!).

But lest you think that all this change is limited to just the X books, think again! Thanks to a certain gentleman who's extremely well known and respected in comic circles (here's a hint: his name starts with a "B"), Avengers is certainly going where it's never gone before. Most critics agree that the title has floundered a bit for the past couple of years (despite the high-profile writer and vast plethora of artists handling the book), but the future, with the aforementioned new writer, really promises to turn things around. An upcoming story arc will solidify a new core team for the Avengers, one that might surprise most fans! Characters without any current connection to the team will join some of the more popular "classic" Avengers in a brand-new line-up, one that may change what the Avengers are and what the team stands for, introducing a darker, more realistic feel for the title.

Nobody's really sure quite what's coming up for Tony Stark and Iron Man. Recently, a lot of buzz has been generated by that title's second look at the repercussions from the old Armor Wars story, but the book is sadly being lost in the wave of publicity from other, higher profile titles.

Our longtime Thor writer (can we just call him D?) has been showing us a very different type of Thor story lately... one that Thor, himself, certainly isn't the star of. Rather, we have a new scion of Thor wielding Mjolnir, and nobody's quite sure what the future holds. One of the big points of speculation is to how (and perhaps even if!) the original Thor will reclaim his spot as the book's featured character. There's also a rumor that Thor will finally be rejoining the Avengers soon... but who knows which Thor it will be?

You could easily argue that the main theme of the Daredevil title, the one that's made the book into what it is now (which is completely different from what the book used to be!), is the rise and fall of the Kingpin. These days, Matt Murdock seems to have mostly abandoned his secret identity, but some readers are speculating that he'll return to his old status quo soon enough. There've been a lot of guest appearances in this book lately, and a few fans believe that the emphasis on so many other characters is what's keeping Matt himself from really having a turn in the spotlight.

Everybody's hoping that the critically acclaimed writer of Fantastic Four (let's just call him W) will stay on the title for a long time to come, but there are, as ever, rumors of a creative change. He's wowed us recently with several very well-received storylines firmly entrenching the FF as the scientific explorers of the Marvel Universe. Add to that his recent reintroduction of Doctor Doom - a highly dramatic story that really resolidified Doom as the key villain of comics - and it's not hard to see why so many people want good old W to stay on the title. Ben Grimm and Reed Richards have been the focus of Fantastic Four lately, but rumor has it that the next arcs will deal more with Johnny and Sue.

Oh, and She-Hulk (it's not by Byrne anymore) is still a very fun title.

There hasn't been a lot of change lately in the Spider-Man franchise: mostly the same creative teams, and most fans still love the current direction. Marvel's been hyping an upcoming limited series focusing on teaming up some of Spidey's greatest villains with a few other surprising names. A new Spider-Man title launched last year with one of the industry's hottest stars attached to it, but the sales of the title haven't quite exhibited the staying power that Marvel hoped for. The Green Goblin (Osborn) is probably Spidey's greatest villain now (what with the demise of the original Hobgoblin a few years back), but Venom still has a lot of popularity with the fans... popularity that may increase since, rumor has it, another evil symbiote will be rearing his ugly head in Spidey's direction sometime within the next year.

One of the surprise hits of last year is a book that launched as part of a whole new line - a push of brand new titles (most of which were totally new concepts, with the exception of the new Spider-oriented book). This breakout hit is a book by a hot writer that follows the adventures of a group of empowered teenagers as they seek to learn about their powers and discover the truth about certain sinister parental types. One of the neat things about this title is that it doesn't fall easily into the established Marvel genres - it's got some mutant characters, it's got some non-powered characters, and even some more alien-ish heroes. It's all about kids trying to find their place in the world, trying to figure out the right thing to do. Very good stuff. The kids' leader (a new African-American character, one who gets things done without the benefit of superpowers) seems to be the most popular character on the team so far.

And I know this is off topic, but wow... hasn't Mark Bagley been drawing just about everything lately?

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This has been a retrospective look back at the state of Marvel Comics, circa 1991. That year marked the beginning of a completely new era for comics, and this columnist felt the need to revisit some of the realities of the comics world of 13 years ago. Any resemblance to current events or company releases is purely coincidental.

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A few months ago, Jim Lemoine (ComiX-Fan's Columns Editor) completed the manuscript for his first book, an examination of business leadership. Oddly enough, his second book is being published this summer, while his first book is still delayed by guys in expensive suits. He's wondering if maybe he should have annotated this column.

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The opinions expressed in this column (if you can find them) are solely those of the writer, and are not reflective of ComiX-Fan or its other staff in general.

wolverinelgs
Apr 12, 2004, 05:12 pm
NICE article, jim. it's amazing how the more things change, the more they stay the same at marvel. it's too bad some good ideas are lost among the recycled.

NicholasRogue
Apr 12, 2004, 05:14 pm
I guess Marvel just ran out of new ideas and thought ..."What the heck let's just go back to how things used to be" - I'm semi excited/semi disapointed..

Jon Hancock
Apr 12, 2004, 05:33 pm
I'd love someone to annotate this so i got half the jokes :(

ToddCam
Apr 12, 2004, 05:46 pm
This article is a little tedious. It just goes on and on. Yes, there are similarities about what Marvel was doing in '91. So? Take out a lot of details, and you can probably compare any two eras and say they are the same. Plus, a lot of these were a little bit of a stretch. Rogue has been running around with her paramour? What, Magneto? They were together in THREE issues. And they weren't even a couple. Saying that Rogue and Gambit were in the same title in '91 meant nothing, cause I don't think Rogue and Gambit had even spoken until X-MEN #3. Excalibur didn't become a true X-title until 1993, so that's wrong, and I believe that Rachel LEFT that title in '91. Polaris hadn't been a major character at all until X-FACTOR. I mean, if it's really written from a 1991 POV, then why does it have later knowledge? After all, Shatterstar wasn't known before X-FORCE, so how can he be considered memorable enough for advertising from his only real appearance in NEW MUTANTS #100? In '91, noone would advertise Nicieza writing. Eh, whatever.

Over all, the article points out similarities, but it doesn't actually say anything. It's too vague, and it is very obviously stretching things. Everything the article says may be true, but it's just not doing that great a job of the point. I don't know if it was supposed to be funny, but it wasn't. Maybe if the writer had shortened it.

Paul Shinn
Apr 12, 2004, 05:59 pm
Heh heh!

I must admit I was a little confused as to just what you were getting at with this article, Jim. A lot of the time I could almost make out the essence of a joke, but couldn't quite complete it. However, your postscript pulled it all together for me! ;)

And Todd, relax dude! I think you're taking it all a bit too literally.

Zachary Palisoc
Apr 12, 2004, 06:11 pm
*tries to read the sarcasm between the lines*

*fails*

*shrugs and moves on*

Kavalier
Apr 12, 2004, 06:35 pm
WOW!!! I thought this was the dumbest, most pointless article you had ever written until I got to the tag at the end.

Wow.

Wow.

k

Ann Nichols
Apr 12, 2004, 06:39 pm
Originally posted by Jim Lemoine
Chuck Austen Is Not In This Column

I wondered about that as I read, but failed to see it was a clue. This column seemed a rather gushing look at the Marvel reload and I was quite puzzled until I saw:

This has been a retrospective look back at the state of Marvel Comics, circa 1991.

I wasn't reading Marvel comics in 1991 -- thanks for comparison.

Yes, I recognize where those words about the columns come from. Shall I be obvious and ask if you're chortling in your joy? ;)

bugalugs1
Apr 12, 2004, 06:39 pm
Wow! Talk about history repeating itself
Only thing I was confused on was the Runaways analogy. Which title would this have been New Warriors? Power Pack?

Cannonball1138
Apr 12, 2004, 06:44 pm
Here's one: A writer with radical ideas takes over the struggling X franchise and immediately makes that book a success. Am I talking about Claremont in the '70's, or Grant Morrison in 2001? Does that mean Marvel is recycling old ideas in that case too, and was it a bad thing in that case? :p

Patrick James
Apr 12, 2004, 06:56 pm
Originally posted by bugalugs1
Wow! Talk about history repeating itself
Only thing I was confused on was the Runaways analogy. Which title would this have been New Warriors? Power Pack?

That would be New Warriors.

Suzene
Apr 12, 2004, 06:58 pm
*chuckles*

For reasons I cannot figure out, the title of your column reminded me a lot of "The Monster at the End of This Book". I half expected to see Austen at the bottom going on about how "it's only cute, adorable me".

Fortunately, your footer was just as amusing and less :eek: -worthy.

Suzene

Kevin Sutton
Apr 12, 2004, 07:12 pm
Jim, you're a genious.

I was reading through this and wondering why you were being so vague and using only letters for names. Then as I reached the end I realised that you must have been drawing comparisons between now and sometime in the nineties. (Which was confirmed to me when I reached the Spider Man part)

It took a lot of effort to put together this information, and a great deal of skill to present it in such a manner so as not to give away what you were doing. I'd tip my hat if I had one.

cypherlock
Apr 12, 2004, 07:13 pm
THAT was AMAZING.

I think that this whole Reload should be intro'd with a crossover called "HERE COMES YESTERDAY!" And this column supports it.

Justice Daye
Apr 12, 2004, 07:38 pm
I thought the article was a great idea, though you did stretch the vagueness somewhat to prove your point. It just seemed if you gotten even the slightest bit more detailed, the article wouldn't have worked. This may say something about how similar you believe Marvel then and now is if you can be no more succint than that(i they were so very much imitating themselves, this would've and could've been much more detailed, no?).
However, I did enjoy it and there were some frightening parallels.

Riliss
Apr 12, 2004, 08:50 pm
Marvel is dead.

Wolverine
Apr 12, 2004, 09:20 pm
man that was a brillant article. its funny cause its true

kisshello
Apr 12, 2004, 09:38 pm
Originally posted by ToddCam
This article is a little tedious. It just goes on and on. Yes, there are similarities about what Marvel was doing in '91. So? Take out a lot of details, and you can probably compare any two eras and say they are the same. Plus, a lot of these were a little bit of a stretch. Rogue has been running around with her paramour? What, Magneto? They were together in THREE issues. And they weren't even a couple. Saying that Rogue and Gambit were in the same title in '91 meant nothing, cause I don't think Rogue and Gambit had even spoken until X-MEN #3. Excalibur didn't become a true X-title until 1993, so that's wrong, and I believe that Rachel LEFT that title in '91. Polaris hadn't been a major character at all until X-FACTOR. I mean, if it's really written from a 1991 POV, then why does it have later knowledge? After all, Shatterstar wasn't known before X-FORCE, so how can he be considered memorable enough for advertising from his only real appearance in NEW MUTANTS #100? In '91, noone would advertise Nicieza writing. Eh, whatever.

Over all, the article points out similarities, but it doesn't actually say anything. It's too vague, and it is very obviously stretching things. Everything the article says may be true, but it's just not doing that great a job of the point. I don't know if it was supposed to be funny, but it wasn't. Maybe if the writer had shortened it.

I'm with you on this. (And by the way, Rachel left Excalibur in 1994. Just so you know.)

There are a couple of funny bits, but it drags.

Also, I'm really sick of all the whining that Marvel is "going backwards". I think it's regrouping. A lot of interesting things happened over the past few years, true, but if you let your characters stray too far, you lose the central point of the franchise. It was time to pick up the pieces and put them in one place again. Then they can be tossed around and scattered at will.

Besides, why does everybody keep assuming that the stories in the Reload are going to be recycled? I mean, yes, the colorful costumes are back. I prefer black, but hey, they make all the characters look distinct from each other, and anyway, they're iconic. They're what people think of when they think "superhero." But, "retro" art does not mean retro storytelling. Excalibur sounds pretty fresh to me. We have Joss Whedon writing a book, which should be . . . interesting, at the very least. Why don't we wait and see what happens?

gambit007
Apr 12, 2004, 10:07 pm
Originally posted by NicholasRogue
I guess Marvel just ran out of new ideas and thought ...&quot;What the heck let's just go back to how things used to be&quot; - I'm semi excited/semi disapointed..


I feel the exact opposite I think marvel said "what the heck I guess we should STAY original and not copy a third rate movie"

I'm confused by the title, why does it bring up Chuck Austen if he isn't talked about in it

-peace Gambit007

magiklover
Apr 12, 2004, 10:54 pm
Originally posted by gambit007



I'm confused by the title, why does it bring up Chuck Austen if he isn't talked about in it



It was part of the joke... a hint.. while the article read like it was a current state of comics it was actually the state of comics in 91 way b4 Austen ever wrote an X-book... So an article about 1991 comics wouldnt iunclude Austen right ;)

Anyways i was wondering where you were goin with this article as i felt i was reading news briefs for a minute before the postscript at the end... Bloody brilliant Jim... as always.

Jen Renee
Apr 12, 2004, 11:34 pm
Simply put: brilliant. ;)

Blake
Apr 13, 2004, 12:31 am
Originally posted by Suzene

For reasons I cannot figure out, the title of your column reminded me a lot of &quot;The Monster at the End of This Book&quot;. I half expected to see Austen at the bottom going on about how &quot;it's only cute, adorable me&quot;.

Suzene

That was the best book ever Suzene, I think I still have a copy of it kicking around somewhere here at home.

I thought a few things were off about this collum, I mean I'd say Doc Oc with all of his mini series and all was the main villian for this year and I'd also say that (most unfortunatly) that Runaways isn't a massive success.

I was just reading it going, this is right I spose, but not quite right......

Threespot
Apr 13, 2004, 01:32 am
This is the reason why its really hard to love X Men over a long period of time, the constant relaunches which are made to attract readers and boost sales just seem to change the great stuff that has been developed before alienating the audience already there. Every few years there's a relaunch. Why?

Maybe they should just start over from a given point every ten years. Some great catastrophe that destroys the world and creates it again then new writers can do whatever they want with the new world, etc etc.



Marvel's keep saying, "Its new! Its new! Were taking the X Men in a different direction which you will like."

Yeah right, just until the next relaunch whenthey screw with what we have come to love then.

Sigh, once again we see degeneration in a comic book based on evolution. Lets hope that the x men, ever notice that they seem to create new titles just so they can pair them down later, won't lose the proactive edge it gained in New X Men and Xtreme X Men.

I would like to see the X Men continue to move in a Authority esque direction, "Screw the status quo, were making a better world for mutants now whether you like it or not!"

What I'm really dredding though is the possibility that it will be the old X Men all over again; same old villians, same old characters, same old "save the day help the people that need it right now no matter what it might mean for mutantkind" Avenger stlye missions with the mutant angle plugged in. Generally just having the X Men fighting villians but not really addressing the fact that they are in charge of the emergence if an entire SPECIES.

Thats what I loved about New X Men, they realized that its not all abuot fighting super villians but about shaping the new world for mutants. Over and over it was, "Were fighting for the day when mutants start to change the world..."

In New X Men they realized, that day was TODAY. No more fighting for that day, but stepping up and taking charge of the new civilization.

Don't even get me started on the costume change....

God, now I'm depressed....

ImpossibleM
Apr 13, 2004, 02:56 am
Originally posted by Threespot
This is the reason why its really hard to love X Men over a long period of time, the constant relaunches which are made to attract readers and boost sales just seem to change the great stuff that has been developed before alienating the audience already there.

Yeah, it's usually a fairly reliable thing for me, a relaunch typically means dropping a title. I'll still try out a title with a new creative team, but ... The first time it happened for me was waaaay back with Claremont leaving New Mutants.

Anyhow, great piece, Jim. I'll toss on some more praises if it means we'll be closer to more X-Assault.

Jibril
Apr 13, 2004, 06:31 am
ummm was green goblin really active as a bad guy in '91?

I recall Harry being a reluctant hero and fighting Hobgoblin.... but that's not very villianous, and i think it was a few years later when some dumb@ss decided that resurrecting characters that had been dead for a couple decades was anything but an enormously stupid idea (Norman Osborne alive? what?)

While that end tag made the joke clear, there are too many holes in the comparisons to make it really work. sorry, dude.

seth_raditz
Apr 13, 2004, 08:41 am
i would have been all for this article, and i agree that marvel are repeating directions that have already been explored, but after seeing the previews for the new X-Men Handbook, i'm getting a warm tingly feeling inside... could it be i'm actually excited about the Reload event?

yep. bring on the spandex and gatefold covers.

Zeb Aslam
Apr 13, 2004, 09:04 am
Originally posted by Jim Lemoine
One of the surprise hits of last year is a book that launched as part of a whole new line - a push of brand new titles (most of which were totally new concepts, with the exception of the new Spider-oriented book). This breakout hit is a book by a hot writer that follows the adventures of a group of empowered teenagers as they seek to learn about their powers and discover the truth about certain sinister parental types. One of the neat things about this title is that it doesn't fall easily into the established Marvel genres - it's got some mutant characters, it's got some non-powered characters, and even some more alien-ish heroes. It's all about kids trying to find their place in the world, trying to figure out the right thing to do. Very good stuff. The kids' leader (a new African-American character, one who gets things done without the benefit of superpowers) seems to be the most popular character on the team so far.

Sigh...I wish this analogy was more accurate. Runaways being a breakout hit would be a dream come true. As it is, this book is barely scraping above the 20k mark each month. Please people, buy this book...help make Lemione's column analogy be true!!!

bmack
Apr 13, 2004, 12:12 pm
As I look into my crystal ball, I see... more ComiX-Fan columnists continuing to complain about all things X for many months (years?) to come. I also see them using sarcasm heavily in their columns to make their points. Ah... wasn't there once a saying about sarcasm...

~ The Mack

Al Harahap
Apr 13, 2004, 12:30 pm
Dear Mr. Lemoine,

Your article is sanctimonious drivel. The X-Men are all about evolution, and they continue to develop and advance. I can't find a good reason or example in the comics at the moment, but I assure you that they are. The McRib sandwhich is periodically recycled. And I don't mean that it tastes like recycled waste. I mean that it is "reloaded," if you will. And yet it is still fun and exciting. It is for this reason that you are wrong. Things will become new and fresh once more. You'll see. I'll make you eat your words.

Al Harahap

Alex Guillen
Apr 13, 2004, 06:02 pm
great article, Jim.
I guess it's true, those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat the same mistakes, hopefully Marvel will be the exception. :cross:

Jordan T. Maxwell
Apr 14, 2004, 03:13 am
Jim...words fail me. so here you go...:clap:

and to correct a comment from earlier. it's not funny because it's true...it's freaking sad and pathetic because it's true.

I'm gonna go read Channel Zero and dream of a world where the comic book industry doesn't have its head so far up its ass...

Revanche
Apr 14, 2004, 03:26 am
I'm not too thrilled about the ReLaunch personally. Right now I buy about 6-7 titles. Which may be a low number considering I usually only buy X-Men related. As soon as the ReLaunch takes place I'm going to be almost 10 among some others. I'm willing to go out of my way to read stuff that I happen to enjoy and I've been enjoying X-Men for years.

I am happy to see that the old costumes are a bit upgraded but it brings me back to the old X days.

Nice article Jim!

DarkCrisis
Apr 14, 2004, 02:01 pm
What I want to know is: Where is NYX?

Jordan T. Maxwell
Apr 14, 2004, 05:38 pm
Originally posted by DarkCrisis
What I want to know is: Where is NYX?

i think that's what a lot of people want to know. go read "Demo" if you're that frustrated. ;)

Danja
Apr 15, 2004, 07:47 pm
I personally didn't notice the similarities until it was mentioned. but then i wasn't reading comics in 91. The Weapon X stuff was typically stagnant though.