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Jim Lemoine
Apr 1, 2003, 01:34 am
<img src="http://x-mencomics.com/xfan/images/logos/dittol_logo.jpg" align=left width=115 height=100 border=0 alt="Did I Think That Out Loud?!? logo">By Jim Lemoine, jimlemoine@xfan.cjb.net

The second in a continuing series of admittedly biased picks to fill a true list of the most influential Hundred Marvels of all time.

X-Fanboy Alert: There are no mutants in this column. None. Not even invisible, teleporting, or relatively human-like mutants. No X-Men, no X-Statix, no X-Anything. Heck, there aren't even any superheroes in this one. At all. If superheroes are the only things that interest you, then this column isn't for you. Odds are good there'll be super types in the next one, so tune in next time. This week we discuss a fantastic comic that, while having no superheroes, broke numerous paradigms and took one of Marvel's highest selling titles (of the time) to an entirely higher playing field.

When we were very young, our first comics weren't the superhero epics we're so enamored with these days. Most of us instead started with books aimed at a much younger generation. The more mature of us might remember a vast plethora of old Disney comics (Super Goofy, anyone?), while the children of the Seventies lived by the many Richie Rich titles and Casper the Friendly Ghost. In the Eighties kids enjoyed Heathcliff and the awesome Spider-Ham, while the Nineties brought us Animaniacs and a slew of new Warner Brothers and Hanna Barbera titles. Most of us still have these old kiddie comics, tucked carefully away for no other reason than nostalgia.

At some point in our lives, though, we each happened to read a mainstream comic that surprised us with its compelling story and undeniably cool characters. For every comics reader, there was originally one single issue that they picked up that convinced them to read the next one, and then the next one, until before they knew it they were a Marvel Zombie (or a DC Drone, as the case may be). Think back... when exactly was it that comics made the significant leap in your own view from "mindless children's entertainment" to "illustrated ongoing epic?" What book did you read, after which comics were at a whole new level in your mind? Was it Fantastic Four? Was it Batman? What's your Comics Origin Story?

The story you're about to read is mine: the one book that started my lifelong addiction to graphic storytelling. My Comics Origin, like most good things in life, occurred in the Eighties.

As with most young people of my generation, I was enamored with the concept and characters of the Transformers toy line. Originally this fascination was a source of some confusion to me; since GoBots were essentially the same toy, only much cheaper, I'd planned to begin a GoBots collection instead. The Transformers, however, were simply captivating and almost hypnotic. Before long, all thought of those measly little GoBots had vanished and I was frantically searching for the oh-so-elusive Hound toy.

The Transformers cartoon was entertaining but expectedly immature. Sure, the characters were neat and the animation was decent for its time, but it didn't really have deep, well-thought out storylines. It didn't have to, because it wasn't meant to. The Transformers were targeted toward children, and children in the 80's didn't expect much depth or strong characterization in their cartoons, especially as compared to cartoons today. If you don't believe me, compare the average modern DragonBall Z or Yu-Gi-Oh episode to an eighties anime counterpart, Voltron. Sure, Voltron was pretty neat, but 95% of the episodes had exactly the same plot.

But I digress. One day at a drug store, I happened to see a copy of Marvel's Transformers #4 (which featured a cover by some guy called Texeira, if you can believe it!), and I decided to rifle through it to see if the comic was any better than the cartoon. Although the beginning was a bit surprising, most of it seemed pretty standard: Autobots talk to humans, Autobots go fight Decepticons, Decepticons seem to be winning, Autobots triumph. I got bored and returned the book to the rack, not even bothering to look at the last page.

<a href="http://x-mencomics.com/xfan/images/columns/tfcover.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://x-mencomics.com/xfan/images/columns/tfcovert.jpg" align=right alt="Transformers V. 1 #5 Cover"></a>The next month I was back in the same drug store, and I saw what is to this day one of the most memorable comic covers I've ever encountered. Instead of standard heroic images of the noble Autobots engaging in battle, Transformers #5 presented the evil Shockwave against a stark metallic background, carving the words "Are All Dead" into a wall. It caught my eye for two reasons: first, because this kind of thing wasn't what you expected to see from a kiddie book, and second, because the art was really head and shoulders above anything I expected to see on a comic book cover. That cover drew me to buy the first comic I'd ever bought with my own money. I couldn't resist picking it up to see just how long it would take for the Autobots to make their comeback and save the day.

Imagine my disbelief as I discovered that the whole issue was a story of the Victory of Evil.

<a href="http://x-mencomics.com/xfan/images/columns/tfpage2.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://x-mencomics.com/xfan/images/columns/tfpage2t.jpg" align=right alt="Transformers V. 1 #5 Page 2"></a>I opened the book and read three pages of Shockwave studying human culture. No bright laser fire, no gratuitous "look how cool that is" transformation sequences... just the leader of an invading alien race researching the society he plans to enslave. I was pleasantly surprised by the maturity of it all, but that surprise became shock when I turned the page and witnessed a scene more grisly than anything the cartoon ever showed. Pages 4 & 5 of the book were a double-page spread showing the Autobots... nearly all of them... ripped limb from limb and hung from the ceiling. Kind of like Jeffrey Dahmer, but with robots. Replace the robots in that art with humans and you'd have a horrifying bloody image straight from some kind of cannibalistic slaughterhouse. After months of seeing the noble, cartoony Autobots overcoming all odds on their television show, the pure contrast of that one image hooked me.

<a href="http://x-mencomics.com/xfan/images/columns/tfpage4.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://x-mencomics.com/xfan/images/columns/tfpage4t.jpg" align=right alt="Transformers V. 1 #5 Page 4-5"></a>See, in the cartoon, if an Autobot was captured or defeated by the bad guys, he'd merely be forced to retreat. At worst, he'd be captured. But here, in a comic book of all places, their foes maimed them, ripped them apart, and sought to truly murder them. This raw realism in the world of a kiddie toy franchise was so different from everything I'd come to expect that I was instantly hooked. Where Transformers #1-4 were relatively ho-hum stories of gee-whiz robots, new series writer Bob Budiansky turned the paradigm upside down with Transformers #5 and, like Larry Hama on G.I. Joe, unlocked the true hidden potential of the Robots In Disguise.

Later in the title, I met my first-ever favorite comic-book hero. Unlike most new readers, it wasn't Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, or Wolverine... it was a talking ambulance. Amazing I can say that with a straight face, isn't it?

Of all of the Autobots who came to Earth, Ratchet was the only one without any real combat capabilities. Instead, he was the team's doctor. You'd rarely see him charging into battle in the cartoon, and he was almost completely ignored in the first four issues of the comic. Ratchet didn't turn into a sports car or monster truck like the others, he didn't have big guns, and he was about as far from a warrior mentality as you could get. In Transformers #5, while the Decepticons were stronger than ever, Ratchet was the last surviving Autobot. Budiansky brilliantly used Ratchet over the next few issues to convey a real feeling of hopelessness, and to give us a great point-of-view look at the unbridled raw power that evil possessed.. Alone against the combined might of the most powerful Decepticons of all, Ratchet had nothing more than his brain, a few weak medical tools, and the ability to transform into a bulky ambulance. It was the quintessential underdog-against-the-odds story, the kind you'd usually never see pulled off properly in a children's franchise.

<a href="http://x-mencomics.com/xfan/images/columns/tfpage19.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://x-mencomics.com/xfan/images/columns/tfpage19t.jpg" align=right alt="Transformers V. 1 #5 Page 19"></a>To this day, Ratchet the Autobot stands out in my mind as one of the most heroic characters I've ever read at Marvel Comics. To watch him stand up to Megatron... well, it would be analogous to Flash Thompson fighting, outsmarting, and ultimately defeating Doctor Doom. This story arc ran until Transformers #8, when Budiansky at last portrayed Ratchet triumphant... and nobody was more surprised about that than Ratchet himself.

I collected every Transformers comic book since #5, and I eventually spread out to try books like Fantastic Four and Avengers. From that point, I was a true hooked Marvel Zombie. But I never would have read comics (and for that matter, you wouldn't be reading this column right now) if it weren't for Transformers #5, an amazing issue that broke all paradigms and preconceptions about what a toy tie-in comic book should be.

Admittedly, the art isn't all that fantastic in Transformers #5... proportion is often off and most of the human characters just look ugly. To be fair, the coloring isn't exactly up to speed either... the majority of the Robots in Disguise appearing in this issue are actually colored incorrectly. But still, I looked past all of the issue's flaws when I cast my underdog vote for this book to be one of the Hundred Greatest Marvels. This single issue deserves a place in the history books for setting a new standard, for really shocking the reader with the kind of things you never expected to see, for boldly going where Marvel had never gone before.

Of the final list of Marvel's Official Hundred Greatest, there was absolutely no representation by any books that took place outside the standard, superheroish Marvel Universe. None of the great horror or western stories from the seventies were there, nothing from the classic G.I. Joe or Transformers series, and perhaps worst of all, not one issue of Howard the Duck made the list. As there was some great, top-notch stuff produced in all of the titles and genres mentioned, I submit as a contender Transformers #5: the paradigm-destroying book that got me into comics and thus, in the long-term, provided Marvel with a small fortune of my money.

And the book still gives me chills every time I read it.

Jim Lemoine (who spent years looking for a Shockwave toy but still hasn't found one, and respectfully dedicates this column to 2TUM) has worked as a disc jockey, a video game designer, and a leadership consultant. He's been reading comics for 18 years, and he's been thinking too much for a while before that.

Joey Meyers
Apr 1, 2003, 02:14 am
Sounds cool. But how come he didn't make the cut into the X-Assualt and replaced by that other Autobot?


Er, anyway, interesting article Jim, kinda funny that GI Joe and Transformers comics were much more interesting and developed than their tv counterparts (heck, over in GI JOE toon, it seemed the only competant villians was the Baroness and Zarana.)

Tom 2TUM Toner
Apr 1, 2003, 02:14 am
Originally posted by Jim Lemoine
Of the final list of Marvel's Official Hundred Greatest, there was absolutely no representation by any books that took place outside the standard, superheroish Marvel Universe. None of the great horror or western stories from the seventies were there, nothing from the classic G.I. Joe or Transformers series, and perhaps worst of all, not one issue of Howard the Duck made the list. As there was some great, top-notch stuff produced in all of the titles and genres mentioned, I submit as a contender Transformers #5: the paradigm-destroying book that got me into comics and thus, in the long-term, provided Marvel with a small fortune of my money.

i would trully have ot agree with you on this Jim. I also was really pissed that some comics made the list. I mean X-Force 1? X-Men 53, the start of Onslaght? Uncanny X-Men 3 the first appearnce of Blob? These were Marvel 100 Greatest? G.I. Joe #26 was the issue where we learned the origin of Snake Eyes. You're telling me this wasn't worthy of Marvels 100 Greatest but Blob's first appearnce (which stood at #41) was? Unbelivable.

Originally posted by Jim Lemoine
Jim Lemoine (who spent years looking for a Shockwave toy but still hasn't found one,

if you wanna pay big bucks over at eBay, try this link (http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&query=shockwave+transformers&cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2F&ht=1&from=R10&currdisp=2&itemtimedisp=1&st=2&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&BasicSearch=)

Originally posted by Jim Lemoine
and respectfully dedicates this column to 2TUM

muchas gracias Jim, this means a lot to me :)

Benjamin Ong
Apr 1, 2003, 02:17 am
Tom - You have two dedications this week then ;) (for the uninitiated, see 'MASTERING THE UNIVERSAL ART OF EMILIANO SANTALUCIA: AN INTERVIEW WITH THE HE-MAN ARTIST' (http://www.comixtreme.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2573))

Tom 2TUM Toner
Apr 1, 2003, 02:22 am
Originally posted by lonewolf21
Sounds cool. But how come he didn't make the cut into the X-Assualt and replaced by that other Autobot?

LMAO! That would be just so awesome if Ratchet does make it into X-Assault. There should be a Transformers-Assault one day ;)

Originally posted by lonewolf21
Er, anyway, interesting article Jim, kinda funny that GI Joe and Transformers comics were much more interesting and developed than their tv counterparts (heck, over in GI JOE toon, it seemed the only competant villians was the Baroness and Zarana.)

yeah, i never really understood that. BUt then, the comics were written by some of hte best. Simon Furman and Larry Hama are legends thanks to their work on Transformers and G.I. Joe.

Originally posted by Benjamin Ong
Tom - You have two dedications this week then ;)

i feel so special. 2 80's articles dedicated to me. I feel so loved :blush:

crozack
Apr 1, 2003, 02:40 am
This column was really touching. I know it was sort of an argument for Transformers issue 5 on the Hundred Greatest Marvels but you're first paragraph had me thinking, Jim.

I remember my first comic too. Yeah, I was hooked on Marvel after reading one issue of X-Men (that, I'll admit, I didn't understand) and Avengers West Coast (which was even more confusing). But my first comics were Eastman and Laird's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles by Archie Comics. Those turtles kicked so much more ass in the page than they did on the screen!

I've found that is the case with a lot of cartoons that make it to comic format. Sonic the Hedgehog is one that readily springs to mind as a comic that is much more entertaining than the cartoon or even the video games for that matter.

Thanks, Jim, for reminding me about my roots. It's about time I went and revisted them.

Monolith
Apr 1, 2003, 02:55 am
Eerie. That parallels my introduction to Marvel perfectly, Jim. I'm a little bit younger, so I didn't start until Transformers #26, but TFs were my beginning in comics as well. I finally got my hands on the entire TFUK series just a few months before Titan started putting out the TPBs. I'm telling you, no other comic sticks out in my mind for massive death scenes ranging from decapitation to dismemberment to disintegration. The Underbase Saga and Time Wars were the bloodiest murders without blood I've ever seen. :D

Eric J. Moreels
Apr 1, 2003, 03:02 am
Originally posted by 2TUM
i feel so special. 2 80's articles dedicated to me. I feel so loved :blush:

Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for a Starblazers revival! It's high time someone brought the Space Battleship Yamato back into service! :yes: :D

Joey Meyers
Apr 1, 2003, 03:16 am
Yamato would indeed be cool, heck, whenever the next Robotech Project is announced (like the recent news on "Love and War") I keep hoping (as much as I love the Macross saga) that we'll see one themed after the Invid saga/Genesis Climber Mospeada.

crozack
Apr 1, 2003, 03:18 am
Originally posted by Eric J. Moreels


Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for a Starblazers revival! It's high time someone brought the Space Battleship Yamato back into service! :yes: :D

Preach it, brother!!!

Maybe you could even become a "Special Researcher" on that one too, Eric? ;) :yes:

Tom 2TUM Toner
Apr 1, 2003, 03:25 am
if Dragon's Lair and it's sequel Space Ace can get signed on, maybe Star Blazers will to *nods*

Wolverine
Apr 1, 2003, 04:08 am
Originally posted by 2TUM


i would trully have ot agree with you on this Jim. I also was really pissed that some comics made the list. I mean X-Force 1? X-Men 53, the start of Onslaght? Uncanny X-Men 3 the first appearnce of Blob? These were Marvel 100 Greatest? G.I. Joe #26 was the issue where we learned the origin of Snake Eyes. You're telling me this wasn't worthy of Marvels 100 Greatest but Blob's first appearnce (which stood at #41) was? Unbelivable.



if you wanna pay big bucks over at eBay, try this link (http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&amp;query=shockwave+transformers&amp;cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2F&amp;ht=1&amp;from=R10&amp;currdisp=2&amp;itemtimedisp=1&amp;st=2&amp;SortProperty=MetaEndSort&amp;BasicSearch=)



muchas gracias Jim, this means a lot to me :)

He come one X-force 1 was good though the Onslaught issue was crap

Kevin Sutton
Apr 1, 2003, 09:26 am
My first comics were some old world war two comics I found in my grandfather's basement. I think they were made in the seventies or something. Oddly enough, some of the first I bought included some Transformers.

Alex Guillen
Apr 1, 2003, 09:28 am
Strarblazers? You've got my vote, Eric.

Well I always tought the cartoons had to be more kid-friendly so hence that the comics were better. Cartoons often rehash the same plots but with different characters or twists (just see Power Rangers).

number1958
Apr 1, 2003, 12:35 pm
Cool article. My fist comic was Transformers #10. In fact, I didn't really get interested in other comics until around the time Transformers was cancelled. Then I got hooked on the X-Men, a much more expensive hobby ;)

SQUIRREL-GIRL
Apr 1, 2003, 12:47 pm
Originally posted by Wolverine


He come one X-force 1 was good though the Onslaught issue was crap
Hey that the issue jean finds out xavier loved her...
that was good
mark waid wrote it
thats why...
:)

Sarcastro
Apr 1, 2003, 01:11 pm
I started collecting the same way. Thinking back on it, I started collecting Transformers in the mid to late #20's, but I think the first one I got was the issue where Megatron returned. Issue 15 I think. I then went back and got most of the issues I missed. There were some really great stories in Transformers. The Underbase Saga, and Matrix Quest stand out. I still have all those old issues, though some of them are slightly worn. I only got into other comics because my mother couldn't find the latest issue of Transformers on the news stand, so she got Thor instead. Then Thor crossed over to Avengers, so I had to get that. Then Avengers crossed over to West Coast Avengers, so i had to get that. Then others joined my list. Ah, the good old days.

There were some really good G.I. Joe stories too. That one where they revealed Snake Eyes face for the first time, and the Baroness was after him for killing her brother was really good. Also the slaughter of the Joes that took place when the Saw Viper misinterpretted his orders. Not the best story, but very shocking to see so many Joes actually die.

FUBL
Apr 1, 2003, 01:48 pm
Another issue in Gi joe was the issue where all but one of battle force 2000 was wiped out because Cobra used a good tactic and drew them into the middle of an oil tank farm and blew it Showing that sometimes the heros makes mistakes and it actually costs lives. Actually that entire arc From before the Joes being gunned down to after the battle where battleforce 2000 gets destroyed was just amazing since the Joes Declared war on cobra and it showed the high costs of war and that sometimes people dont make it home no matter how well equipped or trained sometimes luck plays more a role than we want to think. At the end the Joes had lost something along 20-30 members and cobra had laid claims to large areas.

Cyclopian Visions
Apr 1, 2003, 02:50 pm
First comic I ever read was Uncanny X-Men #175 followed up by Alpha Flights #1-7.

Got them from a family friend who gave them to me back in the day when I was bored and over their house with nothing to do. I think I was like 10.

Regardless, #175 is most likely the one reason why Cyclops happens to be my favorite character.

Brian Wilkinson
Apr 1, 2003, 03:40 pm
The fun part is that I have TWO Shockwave figures.

Not to mention every issue of the original series, cartoon AND comic.

And a lot of the RID line as well.

Fun, fun.

Benjamin Ong
Apr 2, 2003, 04:27 am
Must remind myself to dedicate the next 80's (make it Transformers) feature to you, Brian :p

ImpossibleM
Apr 4, 2003, 01:34 am
Great article ... Yes, my introduction to everything Marvel came via the Transformers. Specifically, Transformers # 23 (I think), the one sporting the cover of the decepticons' graffiti on the Statue of Liberty. The Ratchet-Megatron arc was the best of the series. Second place would come to Blaster on Cybertron. And I really liked #25 (?), Megatron's death scene.

Some criticisms I'd have: Transformers went really downhill writing-wise as it went along. (Carwash of Doom? Oh man ... Grimlock all of a sudden speaking like his dumb cartoon incarnation? What happened? Did that battle with Trypticon and his subsequent crowning knock something in his brain?) And the art was never really that great.

It's also too bad they didn't exploit their human characters more, like Circuit Breaker. Still, gotta thank Transformers for introducing me to X Men, Spidey, Doctor Strange, and everything else great.

X-iom
Apr 4, 2003, 09:37 am
I agree the first Transformers comics kicked ass. I loved the cartoon as well (hey, I was a kid)

x-man17
Apr 5, 2003, 04:54 am
i think i still have my shockwave figure around somewhere, got it from my uncle who has all these 80's toys and stuff. As always, good job on the column.