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Jim Lemoine
Mar 16, 2003, 09:52 pm
<a href="http://x-mencomics.com/xfan/images/previews/0503/WOLVERINE_1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://x-mencomics.com/xfan/images/previews/0503/WOLVERINE_1t.jpg" align=left alt="Wolverine #1 preview"></a>by Benjamin Ong Pang Kean, X-Fan Correspondent

Inbound Wolverine artist Darick Robertson, who you can find here at X-Fan in his Hey, Bub! (http://x-mencomics.com/xfan/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=152[/url) discussion forum, has recently been giving fans his take on the upcoming relaunch of one of Marvel's most popular titles. His comments below are from Snikt! (http://www.comixtreme.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=67), Robertson's comiXtreme (http://www.comixtreme.com) discussion forum.

“Wolverine ran uninterrupted since 1987, 190 issues without a restart. The time to do {relaunch this title} was back in 1995 when the new #1's were selling in the millions, and they didn't. This isn't a gimmick, it's an artistic choice so {inbound series writer Greg} Rucka and I can have a fresh start with the storylines. It's a reboot. Like when your computer freezes up or you install new software, you need to restart it. Same thing here.”

”The idea that selling comics is a bad thing is kind of silly, don't you think? It's the opposite of stupid. I've been posting this argument a lot, but I need to remind you that the comics industry is in trouble and if we don't manage to bring in new readers any way that we can, comic books will go the way of Vaudeville shows, Puppet Theater and the Pet Rock and you'll have NO comics from Marvel or DC. Think I'm exaggerating? I'm not. Both of the big two are making bank with licenses, cartoons, merchandise and movies. Comics generally lose money until they're reprinted. Comics sell dramatically less than just a decade ago. The numbers we HOPE Wolverine #1 will sell would have gotten the New Warriors canceled in 1993. Fury was considered a hit, and it sold about the same numbers as my first comic Space Beaver did back in 1987.”

”All it's going to take is a steady loss of profits before the people that own them (DC Is AOL/Time Warner, whose stock is way, way down), the people that don't love or understand comics to say 'We can't afford to lose money on silly comics anymore' and it's goodbye mainstream comics. They'll vault the characters away and license them out. Creators will still create, but it won't be new issues of Spider-Man, Batman or X-Men.”

”So you pick: New #1 and regenerated interest or your own private Idaho where all you have is your sequential numerated back issues and memories.”

”If you walked into a comic book store for the first time after seeing X2 and wanted a Wolverine comic, and saw them on a shelf and could choose between issue #1 and issue #191, which one do you think the average person would choose? Don't kid yourself into thinking this is anything but a business. It costs a lot of money to pay editors, creators, and printers. Sadly there aren't enough 'fans' left anymore to generate enough profit that it's worth catering to them. The last time Marvel tried that approach, it led to bankruptcy. So why bash a company that has been bringing you your favorite characters for over 40 years? Why not trust that they are doing what they have to in order to survive?”

”At the end of the day, it's just a number on a comic to anyone but a hardcore fan. If it really bothers you, just get out a pen and write in the one and the nine on the cover before the one. It will mean the same thing. We aren't picking up the story from any point that connects with Volume 1 anyway.”

”Despite what you believe, there is still more artistic integrity in comics than in most mainstream media entertainment. Marvel has managed to come out of bankruptcy and return to being the #1 company in comics. There's nothing wrong with that at all. The time in comics when both companies were shameful was in the mid 90's and like the money that came in with those gimmicks, and awful, poorly written and drawn comics, those days are gone. Today's Marvel is comprised of practically a whole new editorial staff and a new parent company, headed up by Avi Arad, who (thankfully) loves these characters and is passionate about Marvel Comics while the Revlon people cared only about the bottom line, and were the folks who orchestrated the 'Heroes Reborn' stunt, where Marvel was paying Image huge sums of money to do their comics. Guys like Mark Waid and Ron Garney were taken off a book they were improving because Revlon believed that only the Image guys could do comics that sold. How despicable was that? And the worst part? Sales were huge! The so called fans ate that crap up.”

”Now Marvel is putting out it's best product in years, and content with average numbers because they believe in the long term goal of a quality book selling and gaining readership. Marvel Comics have the best creators doing the best characters and that's awesome. DC is fighting the battle the same way, quality is selling and that's good for everyone in the end.”

”When Marvel was f***ing up entirely I turned down a regular Spider-Man title and went off to do five years on Transmetropolitan, so it's not as if I'm just a blind follower. I wanted to do a higher quality of work and I recognized Warren Ellis' talent long before the mainstream did. I really believe in what's happening at Marvel now and with the recent shake up at DC, I'm really curious to see how the next few years unfold. I think comic fans are in for a real treat.”

”I admit that Marvel used to be a place where all this complaining and skepticism was warranted. I was in the offices a couple of weeks ago and editor John Miesegaes and I were (pardon the pun) marveling over this copy of Peter Parker from 1997 that was so incredibly bad from every standpoint of what defines a good comic. The art was amatuer and stiff, and the ‘story’ made little sense and seemed to be trying desperately to hit all these pre determined points that would supposedly excite a reader instead of forming an exciting story. It was the best scenario of formula over substance just completely failing. So I am not blind that Marvel used to suck, and a new number one launching was transparent with shameless greed.”

<a href="http://x-mencomics.com/xfan/images/previews/darickwolv_facecu.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://x-mencomics.com/xfan/images/previews/darickwolv_facecut.jpg" align=right alt="Panel from Wolverine #1 by Darick Robertson"></a>”But there's something everyone seems to overlook and that's the fact that ALL the comic companies went through that period in the 90's. Dark Horse put out Barb Wire and stuff like that and were churning out movie properties like mad following the success of The Mask, and then there was DC doing lenticular covers and foil covers on Robin mini-series, and putting Image style armor on Guy Gardner while Valiant was oversaturating the market. Everyone was guilty except Vertigo comics. The world of super heroes was all about marketing. The idea another Watchmen or Dark Knight would emerge was a distant memory. No one cared about making a good super hero story, they cared about how many numbers they could sell.”

”If you want to blame somebody, then blame the catering fly-by-night retailers and speculator fans buying the lousy comics, not the people making them. Blame the high profile comic mags that were overstating the value of comics and putting mediocre talent on their covers as the next big thing. If the masses were buying Strangers in Paradise and Bone at the same numbers that X-Men and Spawn sold, or higher, do you think things would have gone that way? There was a demand for a certain type of comic and therefore all the companies created supply. As long as that method was making money, you couldn't argue with the success. But now, that windfall is gone, those fans ae gone and personally I'm glad I weathered the storm. I am so grateful that I get Wolverine NOW and not when I would have been told how I was supposed to do the comic.”

”We're entering a really interesting time in comics. If ever there was ever going to be another Watchmen or Dark Knight, or classic run like {Frank} Miller's Daredevil, the next five years are a fertile ground for that kind of work to emerge.”

”Anyone working in comics today is working for two reasons and one of them HAS to be a love of comics. The other would not possibly be for the money. If one wanted to make money, even with art skills, there are plenty of other places to make far more money than what is available to a comic book artist. I make a really good rate since I went exclusive, but in order to earn that income I work 12 to 14 hours a day, often on weekends. Editors are grossly underpaid and the only people really making money in comics are guys like Avi Arad.”

“There was a big shift in comics marketing from the news stand to the direct market, only to watch a great deal of that market dry up. No one misses it more than we who make our living working in comics. The belt is a hell of a lot tighter than it used to be! Along with the emergence of video game systems and cheap and easy videos and DVD's, the kid-dollar that Marvel and DC counted on so much is pretty much gone! It's stretched so thin that most kids don't really collect comics anymore. Most of our core audience now is people your age. So Marvel and DC need to keep you all entertained, and find a way to get another generation buying comics also. Otherwise, the industry dies.”

”Most of the time when I meet people and tell them what I do for a living; I get the same response ‘I used to really be into comics.’ I ask ‘Why'd you stop?’ and I get the same answer: 'They got stupid, all these crossovers and variant covers, and you had to buy 5 titles to follow one story for every one character you liked, and then the story wasn't worth reading.'”

”At the same time, that kind of vicious marketing was leaving comic store owners with books they couldn't sell, back issue bins full of quarter books they paid double for and a progressively frustrated fan base. The older readers were completely alienated and said ‘There's nothing for me here now’. The new readers realized they had been duped and went onto Pokémon and Magic: The Gathering. Stores that didn't catch up went out of business. Entire distribution houses folded after being acquisitioned and people are STILL angry. They still feel cheated and alienated.”

”The problem remains that we need to do something to bring the market back, and for a lot of folks mildly interested in comics, mostly because they liked the hit movies, a new issue number one might be that thing. It comes out with the film, perhaps gets some press or outside attention and maybe brings in some new readers. So now we're all scratching our heads wondering why people will turn out in the hundreds of thousands to see a movie of a character they won't read a comic about. How do we sell a comic to every one of those movie ticket buyers?”

”Marvel's a very different company post Revlon and the bankruptcy. Like it or not, they are turning around a bad situation. Many firings later, the staff there is almost all different from the list of people you'd read about in the Bullpen Bulletins in 1992. No one's resting on any laurels and everybody's working hard and motivated. Everyone I know at Marvel is excited about making really good comics, and KNOW what went wrong in the mid nineties. I'm hoping that the mistakes of the past aren't repeated just like you probably are. So this new number one thing might seem like echoes of an ugly past. Time will tell, but I can say with all honesty, that isn't happening now.”

”The strategy with this relaunch is to create a book that old fans of the series will love, because we're getting back to the roots of the character, and doing stories that will remind fans about what they love about Logan and Wolverine, because we the creators are doing stories about what we love about Wolverine. At the same time, we can bring in a potential new audience that perhaps has never read a Wolverine comic before and won't be lost in the story and turned off by being confused. If they get in on the ground floor of something, they're more likely to keep buying it. I've already seen a number of posts saying ‘I never would have bought Wolverine before, but now with this new team, I want to!’"

”If there were enough fans buying the old series to keep it going, this wouldn't even be an issue. While it was selling well compared to other comics, no comics are selling well enough to not take some chances on improving the marketplace.”

”Truthfully, not many people find it fun to have to go searching around for a piece of the story when there's so much ready entertainment elsewhere. It's inconvenient and right now, convenience sells. That's why trade paperbacks are selling better than monthly comics. People want the package, and they want to read. The comics from the last decade are generally worthless now, beyond their sentimental value or their quality. I just bought the first year, {issues} #1 through 12, of Romita Jr's and Chuck Dixon's Punisher War Zone in good to mint condition on eBay, all twelve issues plus a bonus comic that the seller just threw in, for ONE DOLLAR. And they're some of the best stuff from that year!”

”Sadly, also, comics still carry a stigma. Where they used to be considered trash reading, now they're considered geek entertainment for 40 year old virgins with power fantasies. It's hard to make comics 'real world' cool.”

”Most people think that everyone who's into comics and Sci-Fi are like the 'Comic Book Guy' from the Simpsons. Folks outside fandom don't want to be labeled a geek for liking comics, and don't want to have to deal with people like the 'Comic Book Guy' to get their books. They want a good read with good art, and they don't want any nonsense. If they can get a collection, pick it up from Barnes & Noble or Amazon.com and carry it around, reading it more like a book than a comic, it's less embarrassing and overall, a better value for their dollar, THAT'S what they'll choose.”

“The times they are a changing.”

<a href="http://x-mencomics.com/xfan/images/previews/darickwolv_grinface.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://x-mencomics.com/xfan/images/previews/darickwolv_grinfacet.jpg" align=right alt="Panel from Wolverine #1 by Darick Robertson"></a>”So again, I wish to emphasize that unless the entire run of Wolverine that ran before the new volume Greg and I are commencing on was so classic that it needs desperately to continue on as is, you're gaining far more than you're losing by having two creators taking over from a new number one who love and enjoy working on this character as much as Greg Rucka and myself do.”

”What you're going to get is two guys that will give you a solid 12 issues a year of consistent quality (Marvel's publishing 18 annually and for now, I can't do 18 issues AND things like Punisher: {The War Where I Was} Born). Greg is starting on #6 right now, I have a script for #5 and I'm over halfway through #4 and #1 isn't even published yet”.

”Joe Quesada and Bill Jemas made this team happen and Axel Alonso put it all together. You don't get anymore Marvel than that. And yeah, they hope this book sells. We all do! That's our jobs! If we wanted to draw comics that don't sell, we could just Xerox our work and leave them in bus stations.”

Answering a question on the length of his and Rucka’s tenures on the book, Robertson said, “At least a year, probably longer. Greg's attitude is that when he feels he runs out of decent stories it's time to move on. I'll stay longer if his replacement is somebody I'd enjoy working with, and I'm diggin' the work.”

Robertson assured fans that “Logan is still Logan, 100%. It's not as if there's this bald character with fish gills and forks coming out of his hand in his place, or a werewolf with a lazer gun, it's still Wolverine, and potentially more like the Wolverine you really want to read than you've gotten in a long time And in the end a good read is a good read.”

”I'm standing by my 'reboot' metaphor. We're rebooting Wolverine.”

Commenting on the timeliness of future Wolverine issues, Robertson posted, “Five years, 60 consistently monthly issues of Transmetropolitan, always shipped on time, as well as a couple of Vertigo Winter's Edge specials, and in that same time 48 pages of Batgirl/Catwoman, six issues of Fury, 44 pages of Spider-Man: Sweet Charity, three issues of the Punisher. {As mentioned earlier, I’m} currently drawing #4 of Wolverine and #2 of Punisher: The War Where I Was Born and neither have even been published yet... What do you think?”

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Zachary J. Morrison
Mar 16, 2003, 10:06 pm
Great column, Ben and to Jim for posting it. Darick, I read the column and I liked what you had to say towards your run on Wolverine. It was definitely interesting knowing what came out as I was reading the article, and I really enjoyed it. As May comes around in 2 months, I can't wait to get my first copy of Wolverine #1. And by the way, before Wolverine #1 comes out in May, it will be my 20th birthday on April 27th :)

Dragon
Mar 16, 2003, 10:17 pm
I'm sorry it might see like a good idea to Joe Quesada, but to me a long time Wolverine fan i think it's a pile of Poop. The Relaunch really has no true purpose, or reason. And the Artwork just isn't Wolverine, he looks like a beat up drunk ogre, he doesn't have that wolverine feel at all

number1958
Mar 16, 2003, 10:19 pm
What he said made so much sense, I think they should have just limited series so they can have a new #1 every few months.

Alex Guillen
Mar 16, 2003, 10:29 pm
I love Darick's work and I've seen some previews of his work and I must say it' amazing. About the relaunch, well I feel that it was unnecessary but hey I hope it doesn't interrupt the normal narrative flow of the book.

TheMan
Mar 16, 2003, 10:45 pm
Originally posted by Dragon
I'm sorry it might see like a good idea to Joe Quesada, but to me a long time Wolverine fan i think it's a pile of Poop. The Relaunch really has no true purpose, or reason. And the Artwork just isn't Wolverine, he looks like a beat up drunk ogre, he doesn't have that wolverine feel at all

Did you not read this article at all? He totally explained why they had to relaunch it and I think it is a great idea, because Marvel is a business and it does have to survive. I say this all the time, if younger generations do not get into comics soon, comics will all die after us twenty somethings (the last comic generation) die off. So we have about fifty years of comics left that will dwindle down every decade because there will be less and less people buying and making comics.

And I think this is the real Wolverine. I haven't been satisfied 100% with Wolverine after Chris Claremont left and now after reading #1 in Wizard, I am 100% satisfied and craving more. This is the Wolverine I always imagined he should be. It does not matter if it is issue #1 or #191. It only matters if the story is good.

Padan Fain
Mar 16, 2003, 11:05 pm
Hmmm. He makes some VERY interesting points. I'm a staunch opponent of the 'relaunch = sales' idea...but, dammit, it DOES make sense.

Oooh, speaking of the preview for #1 in Wizard, at the end, when the girl reveals her name, it's Braddock. Is that supposed to mean something? Some relation to Brian and Betsy? 'Cause I'm having trouble following the new direction.

DeadmanWade
Mar 16, 2003, 11:19 pm
Great Column. The reason i'm not buying this new wolverine revamp is because a) i buy too many books already b)I find Wolverine boring nowadays. But the stories Darick and Greg are going to tell do sound interesting. To bad i can't say the same about wolvie my interests gone for him. Maybe its the whole lack of yellow and blue spandex lol

Erwin Rafael
Mar 16, 2003, 11:38 pm
well, guys, who's up to buying multiple copies of Wolverine #1 and giving them away? :) let's help support this accesible jump-on point.

spinarakboi
Mar 16, 2003, 11:39 pm
Yeah I don't exactly like wolverine but relaunches are okay... but I'd say try and go to 100... I personally don't like limited series because I like to put money in something i can invest in month after month and have a large collection of one series. But yeah I see the point.

edit: on second thought maybe i'll give it a look and see.

DCUnited
Mar 16, 2003, 11:43 pm
I understand the reasons for relaunching or rebooting or whatever, but it still doesn't have my interest. I hope it all goes well, but Wolverine lasted 190 issues without me and I think he can last a lot longer with out me still.

Kevin Sutton
Mar 17, 2003, 12:14 am
Darick's right on most points, but the relaunch still seems pointless to me. I realise that it may generate some short term interest and may get some more new readers, but those relaunches only ever seem to provide short term benefits for comics. I also know from his column that Marvel and other companies are geared towards slowly winning back their old fans. A relaunch of a title is a short term strategy, but coming out with the movie it may get enough readers to provide a long term benefit. Additionally, while a long term conservative high quality stratgey is whats necessary, I don't see it being successful so far. Sales numbers are down from last year all across the board! Events like U-decide, the relaunches, and the price increases on't seem like good ways to increase readership either. The tsunami titles? If one of them catches fire and becomes really popular then its a good thing, but mostly you'll just be further stretching the reader's dollar.

I know that Darick disparraged the marketing focus of the nineties, but consider that those marketing efforts required large amounts of editorial control to provide the 'correct' product. We also know that comics can still sell in today's market. They don't have the stigma, people can get interested in them if they are a quality product, and compared to video games or going to the movie they are surprisingly economical. Sure prices have gone waaay up since the nineties, but everyone I know who doesn't buy comics is always astounded at how 'cheap' they are. Most other entertainment outlets cost more than comics do. Basically, people will buy if you can get the information to them that their is something for them to buy. So basically, the influence of marketing over the product should be limited only to making sure that the product is of high quality. (Requiring good talent and loose editorial controls) Nevertheless, marketing is required to bring in those new readers. Just because your quality is better isn't enough. Attrition reduces readership faster than people are drawn in. Marketing of comics as entertainment is necessary. Marketing defining the product though will just lead to another nineties disaster.

Alex Groff
Mar 17, 2003, 12:22 am
Between reading this and Rucka's article at Newsrama, I'm very excited about this book. I mean, I liked Tieri and Chen, I liked battles with Sabretooth and Omega Red-- but that doesn't mean Robertson and Rucka are evil. Their ideas are fresh, and their enthusiasm shines. (Besides, Transmet. rocked.) There's enough Wolverine in X-Treme, Uncanny, and New X-Men-- and how many miniseries? It's nice to see a bit of Logan.

Just as a thought-- what if Marvel just reset all their titles every few years? I mean, think about it. For X-Men, you have the Claremont run, cut; then you have the Lobdell run, cut; Loeb, cut; et&c. The difference between Joe Casey and Chuck Austin is enough in my mind to warrant a warning of some kind. (Danger Will Robinson, danger danger.)

This would encourage creators to keep with a title for a while, as opposed to doing the artist/writer shuffle, and yet each new vision gets to stand apart from the others. Dual numbering would make this perfect, b/c those of us with 100+ issues would have them in order, and those of us with 0 issues would not feel intimidated to pick one up.

I appreciated Robertson's honesty and willingness to argue his case in spite of those who bash him without reading a word of what he says. If only Wolverine can be half the bastard that Spider Jerusalem was.

Erwin Rafael
Mar 17, 2003, 12:37 am
Originally posted by SuperMutant
I realise that it may generate some short term interest and may get some more new readers, but those relaunches only ever seem to provide short term benefits for comics. I also know from his column that Marvel and other companies are geared towards slowly winning back their old fans. A relaunch of a title is a short term strategy, but coming out with the movie it may get enough readers to provide a long term benefit. Additionally, while a long term conservative high quality stratgey is whats necessary, I don't see it being successful so far. Sales numbers are down from last year all across the board!

you mean the ICV2 reports were wrong? where did you get your info?

a relaunch if done right, can boost the sales of comic books. look at the MK relaunch of Daredevil. that, i believe, is the model of a successful relaunch. instead of dragging this effort down, which would lead to nothing constructive because protesting against the relaunch would not bring in any new readers at all, why don't we just find our own ways to bring in the new readers?

BoomBot
Mar 17, 2003, 12:40 am
First, if fanboys aren't convinced by what I would call Darick's "essay", then I don't know what will.

Darick's great, his art is excellent and one of my favorite styles, and he's definitely grown as an artist.

I really do want this but I can't decide between Wizard or the actual issue. Can anybody give me suggestions? Is the rest of the Wizard issue good at all?

Erwin Rafael
Mar 17, 2003, 12:48 am
well, reading the story from Wizard would not help boost the sales of Wolverine #1. :)

i think it won't matter, Omar, just as long as you make sure that you preorder issue #2.

Benjamin Ong
Mar 17, 2003, 12:49 am
Go get the Wizard issue too, Omar. Other than Wolverine, there're previews of Mike Turner's two new comics, Ekos and Dragonfly ;)

Kevin Sutton
Mar 17, 2003, 01:24 am
Originally posted by Erwin Rafael
you mean the ICV2 reports were wrong? where did you get your info?

a relaunch if done right, can boost the sales of comic books. look at the MK relaunch of Daredevil. that, i believe, is the model of a successful relaunch. instead of dragging this effort down, which would lead to nothing constructive because protesting against the relaunch would not bring in any new readers at all, why don't we just find our own ways to bring in the new readers?

My information is a month out of date. Damn, I usually like to be more up to date on this stuff! According to ICV2, this March saw a reversal of the previous trend of declining sales vs. year ago periods. This trend had been happening for the last five months. Periodicals were up and graphic novels were down. Wierd.
Anyway, that's good news to me and quite a relief. Thanks for pointing that out to me. I'd been following all the diamond charts for the past couple of months and all had been showing shrinking numbers up until this month I guess. I wonder why this month was so special... and I hope that this year in total is better than the last. The quarter was so far down as opposed to last year's quarter, but that was due to the previous trend I mentioned.

Erwin Rafael
Mar 17, 2003, 02:19 am
Originally posted by SuperMutant
My information is a month out of date. Damn, I usually like to be more up to date on this stuff! According to ICV2, this March saw a reversal of the previous trend of declining sales vs. year ago periods. This trend had been happening for the last five months. Periodicals were up and graphic novels were down. Wierd.
Anyway, that's good news to me and quite a relief. Thanks for pointing that out to me. I'd been following all the diamond charts for the past couple of months and all had been showing shrinking numbers up until this month I guess. I wonder why this month was so special... and I hope that this year in total is better than the last. The quarter was so far down as opposed to last year's quarter, but that was due to the previous trend I mentioned.

i think that the trending is a bit skewed. the sales from first quearter last year are bumped up by a bunch of high-profile special projects and launches -specifically Origin, DK2 and the first issue of The Ultimates. there is not much high-profile first quarter project this year other than the Ultimate War.

anyway, i do take interest in the trending but for me, i tend to see them just as numbers that serve as guides. if anything, i think that regardless of whether trends are increasing or decreasing, we should all just do our part to help gain new readership. so SuperMutant, go out and spread love for comics. :) you may conclude that #1 relaunches are nothing but a short-term spike, but a spike is still a spike and an opportunity is still an opportunity. like i say in my sig, let us celebrate comics. :D

Wolverine
Mar 17, 2003, 04:21 am
Though I'm annoyed tha they are relaunching This looks really impressive

Argus
Mar 17, 2003, 07:59 am
Originally posted by Padan Fain

Oooh, speaking of the preview for #1 in Wizard, at the end, when the girl reveals her name, it's Braddock. Is that supposed to mean something? Some relation to Brian and Betsy? 'Cause I'm having trouble following the new direction.

It better not have anything to do with Betsy and Brian, as if theres suddenly an "unknown sister!" I'll be VERY annoyed!! Also I doubt its Betsy. It's INCREDIBLY stupid of the writers if they've named a new prominent supporting character so closely to another pre-existing character, especially with one so distinctive a name as Braddock. It just serves to confuse.

Erwin Rafael
Mar 17, 2003, 11:25 am
It better not have anything to do with SPOILERS AHEAD! Betsy and Brian, as if theres suddenly an "unknown sister!" I'll be VERY annoyed!! Also I doubt its Betsy. It's INCREDIBLY stupid of the writers if SPOILERS AHEAD! they've named a new prominent supporting character so closely to another pre-existing character, especially with one so distinctive a name as Braddock. It just serves to confuse.

Rucka is INCREDIBLY stupid because he decided to use a Braddock surname? how many people do you know who have the same surnames? if you meet somebody with the same surname, do you get confused?

c'mon, man. let's not make big things out of trivial things like this.

Darick Robertson
Mar 17, 2003, 11:29 am
Originally posted by Erwin Rafael
Rucka is INCREDIBLY stupid because he decided to use a Braddock surname? how many people do you know who have the same surnames? if you meet somebody with the same surname, do you get confused?

c'mon, man. let's not make big things out of trivial things like this.

I can squash this now, it's not that Braddock family.

Darick Robertson
Mar 17, 2003, 01:20 pm
Originally posted by Dragon
I'm sorry it might see like a good idea to Joe Quesada, but to me a long time Wolverine fan i think it's a pile of Poop. The Relaunch really has no true purpose, or reason. And the Artwork just isn't Wolverine, he looks like a beat up drunk ogre, he doesn't have that wolverine feel at all

Long time Wolverine fan...born in 1980. I was a fan reading and drawing Wolverine when you were three.

Your age and narrow view would explain why your opinion is as obstinant as it is ignorant and uninformed. You have no idea what you're talking about, blaming Joe Quesada as if he acts alone. You think you're an expert on comics marketing and Wolverine.

No purpose or reason? Selling more comics is the purpose and creating a better Wolverine title is the reason, but you obviously didn't read what you posted a response to.

By the way "Long time fan", "Beat up drunk ogre" is a great description of what Logan is. If that's what he looks like to you, then I have achieved my goal. Thanks for the compliment!

Anthony Lucynski
Mar 17, 2003, 02:44 pm
Considering the abuse the man's taken over the years, i'd imagine he would look something like that in "real life".

Who the hell came up with the concept that this beast-man code-named Wolverine was supposed to be pretty anyway? I'd like to find that person and beat him senseless with a stale loaf of French Bread (now called Liberty Bread)

Anthony L

Tan K.
Mar 17, 2003, 04:39 pm
I still think that there are come things Marvel or DC could do to get sales back up to 1980's levels, I have no problem with this relaunch/reboot.

Darick Robertson
Mar 17, 2003, 10:47 pm
Originally posted by Tan K.
I still think that there are come things Marvel or DC could do to get sales back up to 1980's levels.

I guess we'll see, but the reaction to every thing they try being so negative makes it seem that some fans will never be pleased.

steve2275
Mar 18, 2003, 03:10 am
THERE WAS NUTHIN WRONG WITH THE LAST SERIES:)

Nicko Blamo
Mar 18, 2003, 04:19 am
Originally posted by Darick Robertson
Long time Wolverine fan...born in 1980. I was a fan reading and drawing Wolverine when you were three.

Your age and narrow view would explain why your opinion is as obstinant as it is ignorant and uninformed. You have no idea what you're talking about, blaming Joe Quesada as if he acts alone. You think you're an expert on comics marketing and Wolverine.

No purpose or reason? Selling more comics is the purpose and creating a better Wolverine title is the reason, but you obviously didn't read what you posted a response to.

By the way "Long time fan", "Beat up drunk ogre" is a great description of what Logan is. If that's what he looks like to you, then I have achieved my goal. Thanks for the compliment!

Yeeaah! Go Darick.
At last a creator unafraid to speak frankly and with sense. I'm tired of seeing all the polite posts and comments from guys trying hard to appease any morons who happen to be fans.

Those of you bitching about a relaunch, your heads are up your arses. Either that or you don't understand plain English.

Seriously, whats the harm? A disruption in story? hey that happens at the end of every arc. A new creative team? yeah, that happens once in a while. What else?

The only difference this makes is the absence of a "19" preceding every issue number. That's it. And whilst that itself is minor, it makes a HUGE difference to someone who's never bought a comic.

Darick- why use the surname of an well-established family?
Someone made the arguement that in real life there are many multiple surnames oin real life. Well, comics aren't real life. This WILL confuse people.
There are plenty of other names to use. Is it meant to cause speculation?

steve2275
Mar 18, 2003, 04:22 am
WHAT DOES 19 HAVE TA DO WITH AYTHING?

Nicko Blamo
Mar 18, 2003, 04:28 am
Originally posted by STEVO
WHAT DOES 19 HAVE TA DO WITH AYTHING?

can you even read?
go back and try again.

steve2275
Mar 18, 2003, 04:33 am
O THE 80"S THING?

Nicko Blamo
Mar 18, 2003, 04:51 am
------?

No.


The 'last' issue will be number 190.
Now, when #1 comes out, you can just pretend there is a little "19" preceding the "1", and that might make you feel a little better. Get it? It's the only real difference.

WTH is the 80's thing?

steve2275
Mar 18, 2003, 04:56 am
ITS NUTHIN

Anthony Lucynski
Mar 18, 2003, 08:46 am
Blamo, stop it.

Stevo, you're above taking such bait. Come on ;)

Anthony L

steve2275
Mar 18, 2003, 08:47 am
I FOUND IT FUNNY
MUCH AS MY CURRENT CAPS PM

Darick Robertson
Mar 19, 2003, 11:09 am
Originally posted by Nicko Blamo
Darick- why use the surname of an well-established family?
There are plenty of other names to use. Is it meant to cause speculation?

I doubt it. Like Smith or Jones, it's a fairly common name. My last name is Robertson, and I'm not directly related to Pat or Cliff.

I don't think once the story arc is complete there will be any confusion.

Lastly, I'm not writing it, so Greg Rucka made that choice.