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Anthony Zisa
Feb 11, 2003, 05:50 am
<a href="http://x-mencomics.com/xfan/images/logos/oscc_logo.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://x-mencomics.com/xfan/images/logos/oscc_logot.jpg" alt="Our So Called Column logo" align=left></a>By Lauren Dougherty (phoenixfire81@hotmail.com) and Anthony Zisa (PopinFrsh@aol.com)

Red Maple Leaf Rising

In perhaps the biggest surprise thus far in 2003, Marvel Comics has rush-solicited their response to DC's recently scheduled Mark Millar-penned Superman: Red Son mini-series. Called Wolverine: Red Bub, this three-issue, prestige format, Marvelscope mini-series will hypothesize what might have happened if the Stalin-era USSR had been behind the Weapon X program and genesis of its most famous experiment.

"I've always promised that Marvel would use, and top, any great idea our corporate-backed competition came up with," Marvel president and Red Bub co-plotter Bill Jemas said in regards to the obvious similarities between the two projects. "And surely, Red Son has great potential, except for one small detail--it's not a Marvel character. Red Bub addresses that glaring fault."

Jemas continued, "We hope here to continue in the great tradition of such projects as Origin, and give our fans and potential fans what they really want--more Wolverine stories."

Marvel Editor-in-Chief and Red Bub editor, co-plotter, and cover artist Joe Quesada elaborated on Jemas' statements. "What we have here at Marvel is a tradition of new, bold ideas. We're not known as 'The House of Ideas' for nothing. And what is more trail-blazing than a Wolverine mini-series? About a COMMUNIST Wolverine, nonetheless!"

Jemas is quick to shoot down any charges that Red Bub might promote a Communist agenda. "If Red Bub is anything it's a parable against communism. Okay, comrades?"

Quesada provided a unique spin on the book's message. "Communism is as American as apple pie and baseball. Without Communism, where would our great nation be? With no interstate highway system, that's where!"

<a href="http://x-mencomics.com/xfan/images/misc/redbublogo.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://x-mencomics.com/xfan/images/misc/redbublogo.jpg" alt="Wolverine: Red Bub logo" align=right width=167 height=50></a>Scripting and co-plotting with Quesada and Jemas is Marvel clean-up hitter Chuck Austen. "Chuck was a natural for the project," Jemas quickly says, dismissing the use of other, "hotter" writers. "Chuck is currently blazing trails with the X-Men concept over on Uncanny X-Men, and his new tenure on Captain America makes him a logical choice for the re-creating Wolverine as the Star-Spangled Avengers' opposite ideologue!"

"Captain America will definitely have a large part in the story," Austen assured readers. "I'm hoping to put a unique spin on the relationship between the two, one opposite to what we've seen previously in their team-ups."

The nagging question of continuity, and whether Red Bub will take place within the "classic" or Ultimate universe, Jemas joked, "Let's see how it sells first."

Quesada was not quite so elusive. "What truly separates us from AOL Comics is our dedication to stories that matter. Like Origin and The Truth before it, Red Bub will be within continuity, and have serious ramifications on the character."

"This changes nothing about the character or the history," Jemas said flatly. "Wolverine's still Canadian, just Russian-Canadian. I mean, really. It just adds another layer to the character and his backstory."

Asked why Millar, whose The Ultimates is Marvel's highest-selling book, and whose connection to Red Son would make him a logical choice for Red Bub, was not tapped for the writing chores, Quesada repeated that Marvel was trying for a unique spin on the concept. "He's already writing Red Son, and it would scream of unoriginality to have him write Red Bub."

"Plus, we couldn't risk him having Wolverine violate Captain America in any way."

Millar was unfazed by the news of his being passed over. "Bill and Joe are mates, and I can understand why they decided to go in a different direction. I mean, I would have loved to write Red Bub, but that's just not how it worked out, you know?" Watery eyes, however, told another story--one of heartbreak. Following up on journalistic instincts, we decided to buy Mark a few beers.

"It hurts, you know? To be just ignored? I wanted to write communist Wolverine, dammit!"

"I probably would have had Wolverine violate Captain America, truth be told," Millar continued, explaining how he would have handled the mini-series. "I mean, that's what Joe and Bill want, right? 'More insane ideas, Mark!' That's what they're always yelling into the speakerphone after they get a new issue of The Ultimates. I thought they liked that kind of stuff."

He sniffed. "Do you reckon I can have a hug?"

The solicitation proves shocking in another way--Red Bub marks Bill Jemas' decision to branch into yet another realm of the comic industry, as co-artist. Along with finishing artist Frank Quitely, Jemas will help give Red Bub a distinct look. "I'll be the first to admit I was hesitant about jumping into the artistic foray, but I'm one to adhere to the old adage, 'Seize the day.' My contribution will mostly be to layouts in the first two issues--I'll be doing all the panel design and pacing, with Frank providing finished art. Hopefully, by the third issue, my contribution will be minimal, and Frank will be ready to do most of the book on his own."

Quitely, asked to comment on Jemas' statement, only laughed. "Bill's an inspiration, really."

Quesada, who will be providing covers for the project, praised Jemas. "I'm normally the first to tell Bill when something's a crazy idea. Like his NFL Superpro revival, co-written by Quentin Tarantino and himself. I said, 'Bill, that's crazy talk. You know Quentin's better suited for a Power Pack revival.' I try to be the voice of reason.

"So, anyway, when Bill approached me about doing the layouts, I was naturally skeptical. But I do think the audience is going to be pleasantly surprised by how nicely this book is lain out."

"Red Bub is going to blow everyone away," Jemas assured. "It's going to be up there with stuff like Watchmen, The Dark Knight Returns, Origin, and Mort the Dead Teenager. This is going to be taught in Soviet-American Studies courses in a few years, I guarantee.

"This is just the best work I've yet seen from everyone involved. Everyone's pulling his weight, and no one is slacking. It's our own little microcosm of the Soviet dream! Ha ha ha! Right, comrades? Ha ha ha!"

Why should the average comic reader care? "In troubled times like these, we need to remember the American dream. This book will hopefully remind us all what America stands for," Quesada answered.

Wolverine: Red Bub will be a three-issue, prestige format mini-series presented in the Marvelscope format. Each issue will be 64 pages, and retail for $6.95.

SOLICITATION TEXT

<a href="http://x-mencomics.com/xfan/images/misc/redbub.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://x-mencomics.com/xfan/images/misc/redbubt.jpg" align=left></a> Wolverine: Red Bub
Cover by Joe Quesada.
Bill Jemas, Joe Quesada, & Chuck Austen (w)/Bill Jemas & Frank Quitely (a)
WOLVERINE AS YOU'VE NEVER SEEN HIM BEFORE!
What if the Weapon X program was the "Opyxne X" program? Bill Jemas and Joe Quesada, the duo behind Wolverine's Origin join with Chuck Austen (Uncanny X-Men) and Frank Quitely (New X-Men) to bring you the Canucklehead like you've never seen him before-AS A SOVIET! It is your civic duty to pick this one up, comrades!

All characters &trade; and &copy; their respective owners. All Rights Reserved. The preceding article was a work of fiction, and any similarities to persons living or dead is purely coincidental. All parody of public figures protected under Hustler Magazine v. Falwell, 485 US 46, 108 S.Ct 876, 99 L.Ed.2d 41 (1988), and is intended to be comic, not malicious.

This column is dedicated to Gail Simone. She is truly an inspiration to dog-humpers everywhere.

Lauren Dougherty has been writing since the age of three, and speaking since the age of seven. Her craft was only heightened due to her voice condition, and she was sent to live with Peabody Award-winning narcoleptic nomads, whom she traveled with for ten years. She now tours in support of her book, "Nomads and Me: A story told in crayon".

Anthony Zisa is world-renowned for his Nobel Prize-winning work in sub-molecular cosmic theory. When not raking in the massive science bank and fending off groupies, he waits patiently for a final showdown with his father, whom he has never forgiven for naming him Sue.

Wolverine
Feb 11, 2003, 06:11 am
Well now. How the hell could this fit into continuity?
Still Interesting.

Oh wait. its a joke isn't it? RIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT

Andy James
Feb 11, 2003, 06:13 am
All characters ™ and © their respective owners. All Rights Reserved. The preceding article was a work of fiction, and any similarities to persons living or dead is purely coincidental. All parody of public figures protected under Hustler Magazine v. Falwell, 485 US 46, 108 S.Ct 876, 99 L.Ed.2d 41 (1988), and is intended to be comic, not malicious

:LOL:

Read further next time Wolverine...........;)

wolviechickie
Feb 11, 2003, 06:26 am
Lol...very good...had me fooled...that would be cool atually...apart from the name...ha ha ha ha ha
*wolviechickie remembers this was just a joke*

Awwww

MaggottFanMan
Feb 11, 2003, 06:32 am
Wow, so I read this whole thing and didn't know whether to laugh or cry for Marvel. I am very glad this was not a true article. lol I do like that cover though.

Justclowes
Feb 11, 2003, 08:05 am
Well nearly had me fooled - scary thing is i can see marvel actually doing something like this, what with all this so called new crap they are churning out in coming months

can't wait for the new Namor (LOL)

Eric J. Moreels
Feb 11, 2003, 08:20 am
Originally posted by Justclowes
what with all this so called new crap they are churning out in coming months

Interesting how you can call it crap before you've even seen an issue. Fair enough if what you've seen of the various books thus far doesn't appeal to you, but to blanket call them "crap" is a bit premature.

Anthony Lucynski
Feb 11, 2003, 09:53 am
Oh my god. I think we've found the succesor to YABS.

This was fantastic. Keep it up guys, I want MORE.

Anthony L

LoganBane
Feb 11, 2003, 11:31 am
God I sat here the whole time trying to stay optimistic about this project just to find out it was a joke. Sneaky, sneaky.

Roberto Polanco
Feb 11, 2003, 11:57 am
hehehehe, good imitation there guys. I could have sworn Jemmy would say some like that

Milleniumcyke
Feb 11, 2003, 12:06 pm
Nice comrades, nice. All hail Big Brother!

tyran80
Feb 11, 2003, 12:37 pm
LOL, funny stuff. Almost had me fooled there, too :D

Remember people, Big Bub is Watching You....

venombytes
Feb 11, 2003, 12:53 pm
You guys got Joe and Bill's numbers as that sounded like something they'd say. Very cool collumn. :cool:

Deathscythe
Feb 11, 2003, 12:57 pm
:? :? :? :eek:

Ryan Scott
Feb 11, 2003, 01:17 pm
Great job, you two :D

Zachary J. Morrison
Feb 11, 2003, 01:19 pm
Oh...I'll have to take a look at this mini series. Not sure if I want to collect it though, but we'll see when it comes out.

Padan Fain
Feb 11, 2003, 01:43 pm
Wh--?

Gh--?

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!


*runs screaming from the room, tearing large tufts from his hair*

...

...

...

Oh, a JOKE! Good, good. Had me worried there for a minute! I thought that was gonna' be the last straw before I kill Jemas. Ohhh, I hate that Jemas...with his wee, beady eyes...

The thing that gets me, is that I had NO trouble believing Jemas would really say all that. Grr....I'd like to point out that Namor is the ONLY Tsunami title I'm not at least TRYING, $0.25 price tag or not.

Pandora
Feb 11, 2003, 01:55 pm
*howls with laughter*

I'm going to pee my pants. LMAO

Good job, Ant and Lauren. I'm now reminded of why I want your children.:yes:

Alex Guillen
Feb 11, 2003, 01:58 pm
could have fooled me. You never know what Joe Q could come up with next and i also believed this was actually true.:clown:

Jim Lemoine
Feb 11, 2003, 02:07 pm
Red Bub sounds like it will be fantastic. At last, another Wolverine story. I'm so tired of waiting and waiting for one.

Here's hoping he fights Sabretooth in it. Repeatedly. Hopefully it will be a regular series and Jubilee will guest-star as Logan's new Komrade SideKick. Maybe Psylocke will show up too.

I can't wait to see Jemas's artwork, either. I've always said that guy could draw... I mean, look at all of the evidence! It's good to see that he's not letting little things like never having drawn anything before hold him back.

What an exciting upcoming project, and kudos to Lauren and Anthony for their excellent reporting. I don't know why so many people are treating this like a joke... it's going to be a great series.

After all, if it was a joke, they'd just come right out and tell us, right?

gaptandil
Feb 11, 2003, 03:00 pm
Great article! I honestly thought this was true... quite sneaky. heh? I was very annoyed that Quitely would be pencilling, dammit! That would mean less New X-Men (I questioned myself: "what are they thinking?"). And it did seem like a very cheap move from Marvel. I like the whole idea behind taking DC's ideas and copying them in some way (Batman for 10 cents, FF for 9, heheh!!). And Jemas doing art sketching? Three "prestige-format" issues for $7 each? And somehow being in continuity? That's when I thought it didn't make any sense. It just sounded ridiculous... yet I still kinda believed it until I read the "disclaimer".
BTW, Jim, you're response was funny as hell. Tackling all the issues that came up in your own column the other week! Very funny, indeed. Keep these columns coming!
Gonzalo

Inferno Cow
Feb 11, 2003, 04:28 pm
I think I'm the only one who thought this was a pretty good idea...:blush:

Karmapoliced
Feb 11, 2003, 04:37 pm
:LOL: That was great! :LOL:

Howlin James
Feb 11, 2003, 04:38 pm
I just hope Marvel knows what they are doing!!! There's a lot of Wolvie fans that don't want to be disapointed!!!


:wolvie: :wall: :logan: :sabes:

Anthony Lucynski
Feb 11, 2003, 04:59 pm
Inferno Cow: No, you're not the only one ;)

And yes, that's the beauty of this column, it's exactly how Joe and Bill would act. I love it. I love AZ and Lauren (both as friends, nothing more)

Anthony L

BoomBot
Feb 11, 2003, 05:24 pm
Good job on the article guys! Good crafty work.

Bamfette
Feb 11, 2003, 05:34 pm
ROTFLO! oh great 'article' Lauren and Anth!

themimic
Feb 11, 2003, 05:58 pm
LMFAO.

Wonderful work.

Except you left out the part where Lauren and Mark Millar :bleep: ...

charm
Feb 11, 2003, 06:14 pm
I take it there will be some sort of crossover .. New X-Comrades, Extreme X-Comrades, Comrade Cable (Marvel are rebooting that title). Or possibly, this is an extension of Days of Future Passed....

Charm

Scott Williams
Feb 11, 2003, 06:30 pm
Meh. Even as a parody article, not all that funny. But then again, maybe I'm just bitter for reasons I don't care to explain at the moment.

AngelinLeather
Feb 11, 2003, 06:33 pm
Haha holey crap thats just funny

Jordan T. Maxwell
Feb 11, 2003, 06:34 pm
Okay, i'll be the voice of dissent: i didn't find this humorous or clever at all. Not that i'm offended or extremely disagree with the "points" raised (such as they are), just the delivery.

There is a difference between satire for satire's sake and satire that says something. Better luck next time, chaps...and despite my criticisms, i do hope there's a next time. Art IS a process after all.

Oh wait, it's dedicated to Gail Simone. Never mind. I take it all back...lol :transform

Joey Meyers
Feb 11, 2003, 06:39 pm
lol. Who knew Pink was Wolverine's color?

GuyX
Feb 11, 2003, 07:26 pm
Wow today must have been a long day...it took me half way through that column to figure out it was a joke...heh

Anyway not laugh out loud funny but hey it perked up my day ~:)

Anthony Zisa
Feb 11, 2003, 09:31 pm
Originally posted by The_Reverend
Okay, i'll be the voice of dissent: i didn't find this humorous or clever at all. Not that i'm offended or extremely disagree with the "points" raised (such as they are), just the delivery.

There is a difference between satire for satire's sake and satire that says something. Better luck next time, chaps...and despite my criticisms, i do hope there's a next time. Art IS a process after all.

Oh wait, it's dedicated to Gail Simone. Never mind. I take it all back...lol

I like honest criticism.

What exactly about the delivery didn't work for you, Jordan?

--acz

Sara Owens
Feb 11, 2003, 10:02 pm
Perfect :D

Ah lurve ya two sooooo much

Erwin Rafael
Feb 11, 2003, 11:01 pm
Originally posted by Jim Lemoine
Red Bub sounds like it will be fantastic. At last, another Wolverine story. I'm so tired of waiting and waiting for one.

Here's hoping he fights Sabretooth in it. Repeatedly. Hopefully it will be a regular series and Jubilee will guest-star as Logan's new Komrade SideKick. Maybe Psylocke will show up too.

I can't wait to see Jemas's artwork, either. I've always said that guy could draw... I mean, look at all of the evidence! It's good to see that he's not letting little things like never having drawn anything before hold him back.

What an exciting upcoming project, and kudos to Lauren and Anthony for their excellent reporting. I don't know why so many people are treating this like a joke... it's going to be a great series.

After all, if it was a joke, they'd just come right out and tell us, right?

hey, Jim. you forgot again to put on the "Sarcasm Warning" sign. :p

Al Harahap
Feb 11, 2003, 11:03 pm
I'm luv Anthony and Lauren. And I'm agree wit' ev'ry word in da article. :]

What do you mean is no persuasive piece? Dat's preposterous. :eek:

obstreperous
Feb 12, 2003, 06:04 am
this was humerous again, but know where as good as the article, that showed how absurd certain fan arguements are.

it could of been done better though, it was a little too obvious that it was a load of c***

obstreperous
Feb 12, 2003, 06:10 am
Originally posted by Inferno Cow
I think I'm the only one who thought this was a pretty good idea...:blush:
why did you think it was a great idea?
if it was a pre-starlin, russia, between 1917 & 1927, it would be able to pose an ideological difference. but there was very little that was communist after Starlin killed the bolshivicks & ended the soviet (workers counsel)

Inferno Cow
Feb 12, 2003, 07:40 am
Originally posted by obstreperous
why did you think it was a great idea?
if it was a pre-starlin, russia, between 1917 & 1927, it would be able to pose an ideological difference. but there was very little that was communist after Starlin killed the bolshivicks & ended the soviet (workers counsel)

Well I never said great idea...just pretty good :p

1) I thought it was pretty clever of Marvel to almost directly copy DC like that...and it still made sense...kinda

2) The idea of a communist WeaponX intrigues me, the whole Cold War thing was before my time so this is kinda my link to the past through a character I know fairly well...plus I thought it would be cool to see like Red Wolvie's connection to CapA and maybe even Peter and Omega Red...among other Russian Marvel super-people.

Choos
Feb 12, 2003, 06:51 pm
Originally posted by Anthony Zisa

Jemas is quick to shoot down any charges that Red Bub might promote a Communist agenda. "If Red Bub is anything it's a parable against communism. Okay, comrades?"

Quesada provided a unique spin on the book's message. "Communism is as American as apple pie and baseball. Without Communism, where would our great nation be? With no interstate highway system, that's where!"



I think my eyebrow actually banged into my forehead when I read this, great job good people!

Shadowraven
Feb 12, 2003, 11:49 pm
:LOL: It took me three or four paragraphs before I realized this was a parody piece. You can never tell with Marvel these days. Anyhow, as others have said, I think you two nailed Bill and Joe dead on.

Good Job Lauren and Anthony! I can't wait for the second edition.

Justin Braddock
Feb 13, 2003, 01:03 pm
Thank the heavens this wasn't true. I got as far as the solicits and I was about to cry. More Wolverine? RUSSIAN-Canadian? :bawl:

I only saw from a few posters that the article was false.

Unicorn_Pegasus
Feb 13, 2003, 05:45 pm
OMG! That was just too, too, funny! :LOL: I can't wait for more. Loved the dedication to Gail too. :D

Violate Cap Am?!? :eek: *Sniffle* (I love :logan: btw.) :)

Originally posted by Jim Lemoine
Jubilee will guest-star as Logan's new Komrade SideKick.

What do you have against poor Jubilee? :LOL: :p

xgene
Feb 13, 2003, 05:58 pm
Very good guys. Had my friend completely fooled last night. HA HA HA HA HA. And Wolverine 'violating' Captain America? Now that would have been a sight to behold!

CornerDemon
Feb 14, 2003, 12:52 am
I gotta say, I loved the part where they got Mark Millar drunk. I reread that three times and thought it was hiliarious. No better way to preserve journalistic integrity than to start buying the drinks!
-CD

Jazz
Feb 14, 2003, 12:30 pm
I looked on the title and saw a Green Lantern ring to form an O and that's where I got suspicious of this joke.

Cajun Neo
Feb 25, 2003, 05:40 am
good job Fiah and Ant. :p even tho I can't understand de comic talk...but very nice