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Eric J. Moreels
Feb 21, 2002, 09:42 am
<a href="http://x-mencomics.com/xfan/images/previews/giantsize_xstatics.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://x-mencomics.com/xfan/images/previews/giantsize_xstatics-t.jpg" align=left alt="Giant-Size X-Statics preview"></a>In a recent interview at the Newsarama (http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=12&t=000131) Web site, Marvel Comics Editor-in-Chief Joe Quesada confirmed that a change is in the air for some of the publisher's X-Men line of titles.

Rumours have been swirling recently online that Cable, Deadpool, and X-Force were set to be renamed and relaunched as Soldier X, Agent X, and X-Statics, respectively. (See "X-CHANGES FOR CABLE, DEADPOOL, & X-FORCE? (http://x-mencomics.com/xfan/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77)" for more details.) These rumours were bolstered by the release and subsequent retraction of supposed preview images for Giant-Size X-Statics online. (See "ALLRED EXPLAINS X-STATICS COVERS (http://x-mencomics.com/xfan/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=838)" for more details.)

"I'll confirm it," Quesada told Newsarama. "July will be a relaunch for certain books. Certain characters will be evolving into new characters; certain books will be getting a big spotlight put on them. I think X-Force is one of those books that made an incredible jump in sales and attracted a lot of attention, and now we want to bring an even brighter spotlight on to it, and really give the team of Milligan and Allred the attention they deserve. That book is just phenomenal. It's right up there with Grant 's New X-Men."

"Cable - Igor Kordey - what can I say? That's another book we're going to focus on. Deadpool is another book we're going to focus on, because again, we've got some wonderful creative teams doing some wonderful things on those books."

Blink
Feb 21, 2002, 10:02 am
Nothing like giving an answer that doesn't 100% answer the question. Well done, Joe, for evading confirmation of title changes.

Michael Heide
Feb 21, 2002, 10:03 am
Did he confirm the actual names? Will it definitely be Soldier X, Agent X, and X-Statics?

Eric J. Moreels
Feb 21, 2002, 10:19 am
No, he didn't confirm the names, just that those three books will be relaunched in July.

Supa
Feb 21, 2002, 10:46 am
Relaunch ? What does it mean ? #1 ? New titles ?
The supposed new titles (Agent, ...) are so.. dumb! And restart the comics with number one.. Number 1 sell more but after that ? Restart number 1 after each 10 issues ? :?

Euthenaisia
Feb 21, 2002, 11:33 am
Those new names are so lame. All of Marvel's relaunches the last few years serve no purpose other than attracting speculators who buy milestone issues for their resale value. :mad:

Zach Kinkead
Feb 21, 2002, 11:47 am
Can't say the name changes bother me so long as they're good books.

apuyana
Feb 21, 2002, 11:54 am
Guys (and gals), remember that its the same comic... i dont care about the name change (if there is a name change) or the danm number just as long as they keep on delivering... and you guys should read the entire interview over at Newsarama, some nice surprises are coming our way...

En Sabah Nur
Feb 21, 2002, 03:18 pm
Well, they say the changes are going to take place in July...so that means we should get to see them somewhere around November or December.

TristenMagnus
Feb 21, 2002, 03:41 pm
What I'd like to know is why they find it necessary to relaunch them? If it's the same book, what's the difference if they just keep it the same title?

chamber1
Feb 21, 2002, 04:07 pm
In the case of X-Force I think I understand the need to relaunch them. First, it'll finally stop all those complainers who whined about the new team having the X-Force name. Secondly, I think it firmly puts the spotlight on Allred and Milligan and recoginizes this line as their book, as they've done something totally new and interesting to it. Lastly, it may attract new readers who haven't read it simply because they think it might be associated with the old X-Force.

As for Cable and Deadpool, I would hate their name changes, as both seem extremely lame.

ManolisV
Feb 21, 2002, 04:10 pm
huh? i got some snooping around to do ;)

Jason Sarlanis
Feb 21, 2002, 04:14 pm
I truly believe that these name changes are inappropriate. The reasoning behind them is not very clear at all. Yes Igor Kordey is doing a great job on Cable, yes Peter Milligan is fantastic with Allred. But why does this merit changing the name of the title? I for one am pleased they are changing X-Force, I felt it was wrong when they change old X-Force into this X-Force with out changing the name. Now the X-Statics have a place in Mutant history all their own, with out the baggage and the association to X-Force and New Mutants (two books that should be considered alittle more sacred than recycling the name into what is now going to be X-Statics.)

My problem is with Agent-X and Soldier-X. This sounds to me like an excuse to put an "X" in the title. This does bother me as it is nothing more than a gimmick. There is nothing to merit these changes and that upsets me. I thought the "New" Marvel was above gimmicks like these. But hey, you can't always be perfect. And the New Marvel is pretty damn close to perfect in my eyes.

Drax
Feb 21, 2002, 04:47 pm
This makes my head hurt. Why is there a constant need for a relaunch to every Marvel Comic. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Next we'll have Exiles as X-iles and Wolverine as The X-(place x sounding adjective here) Wolverine.

ManolisV
Feb 21, 2002, 04:56 pm
i know mike has been wantig his own xtitle, and i'm happy he'll get his wish, no matter what it's called, although x-statics really is a cool title!

Michael Fisch
Feb 21, 2002, 06:22 pm
GROOAAAANNNN!!!

Ken Boehm
Feb 21, 2002, 07:01 pm
If they change the titles, than I would like to see the writers and artists that are making the book right now commit to them. I would hate to see Milligan and Allred leave right after the book is relaunched.

DaveCummings
Feb 21, 2002, 07:04 pm
Originally posted by Cyke1964
If they change the titles, than I would like to see the writers and artists that are making the book right now commit to them. I would hate to see Milligan and Allred leave right after the book is relaunched.

I doubt that Mike would leave the book anytime soon.

If I remember correctly, Mike said somewhere that he would love to do 100 issues of the series. And Mike isn't the type of person to jump around from project to project, especially one that he loves just as much as Madman.

~Dave

Drax
Feb 21, 2002, 07:46 pm
I have no problem with the relaunch for X-Force. It is a new title and deserves the new name, etc. Its changing Cabe & Deadpool just so they have an X in the title. Starting the titles over at #1 again is ridiculous too. It might attract new readers, but what about the old ones? It just makes me mad. Now my headache has turned into a migraine.

xgene
Feb 21, 2002, 08:04 pm
As already said by (can't remember!) as long as the books are still good, I don't care about the title changes. Seeing I'm only buying Deadpool out of these three titles, it won't make any difference to me.

atomicbomb84
Feb 21, 2002, 08:33 pm
Although I can see why changing the X-Force name could be good, theres gotta be something better than X-Statics. Then again I cant think of one, so I'll keep quiet.

On the subject of Cable and Deadpool, Marvels experiment with 'Agent of Weapon X' obviously showed that sales picked with an X on the cover. However, this seems to suggest these titles need a sales shot, which doesnt bode well. But we'll see.

On a lighter note, I'm glad that this is at least partway real. I started spreading this rumour down my local comics store, and was seeing it spread far too rapidly. Now that its been confirmed, I can rest easy...

Although I will miss the letters from angry X-Force fans...*sigh* Cant have everything...

abe

Al Harahap
Feb 21, 2002, 09:06 pm
I hope they don't go back to #1's. I know the numbers of issues in a comic aren't everything, but it really says something about the titles' history--which may be what they're avoiding for easier access by new readers--but still, I see titles like Uncanny who just reached #400, and even Action Comics and Detective Comics who're pushing #800, and there's just something about the enormity of it all.

atomicbomb84
Feb 21, 2002, 09:09 pm
Yeah, but with Cable and Deadpool, thered stillbe the 'seconday' number underneath, which they could return to if it blows...however, I think X-Force (the new one) deserves a number 1, cuz it has definitely outstripped all that went before on this title...

abe

Al Harahap
Feb 21, 2002, 09:16 pm
Originally posted by atomicbomb84
Yeah, but with Cable and Deadpool, thered stillbe the 'seconday' number underneath, which they could return to if it blows...however, I think X-Force (the new one) deserves a number 1, cuz it has definitely outstripped all that went before on this title...

abe

I agree--if they had done a new title and #1 with the "new" X-Force team since their conception. But whatabout this one whole year's worth of that team under the banner of X-Force? And it's not as if they're intending to bring back the old X-Force (I don't think).

xtremexman
Feb 21, 2002, 10:42 pm
Well, here's what we know. Those three books will get relaunches in July. That means that Cable, Deapool, and X Force will get new number ones. But, it doesn't necessarily mean that those three books will be published under the new titles. Kind of makes you think, doesn't it?

Eric J. Moreels
Feb 21, 2002, 11:24 pm
Originally posted by TristenMagnus
What I'd like to know is why they find it necessary to relaunch them? If it's the same book, what's the difference if they just keep it the same title?

Part of the original rumour was that since Rob Liefeld co-created Cable, Deadpool, and the original X-Force, a change in name and a relaunch would likely mean Marvel wouldn't have to pay him royalties for those characters/names any more.

xgene
Feb 21, 2002, 11:52 pm
Originally posted by X-Fan


Part of the original rumour was that since Rob Liefeld co-created Cable, Deadpool, and the original X-Force, a change in name and a relaunch would likely mean Marvel wouldn't have to pay him royalties for those characters/names any more.

But even if they did change the characters/titles, they still would have to pay royalties as the characters are STILL Deadpool, Cable and X-Force, regardless! But that's how I see it anyway.

Eric J. Moreels
Feb 21, 2002, 11:54 pm
Apparently not. A name change and a likely visual redesign are all that would be needed, from what I've been told.

Keith
Feb 22, 2002, 02:14 am
Originally posted by X-Fan
Apparently not. A name change and a likely visual redesign are all that would be needed, from what I've been told.

According to a friend who's very acquainted with copyright law (she has her own comic to take care of) the only way Marvel could get away with it is if they canceled the titles and restarted fresh with just the basic similarities of the previous characters. With Cable, for instance, a soldier from the future, who has telekinetic powers. But, if they kept any of the characters continuity, Liefeld could take them to court because the character likeness would still hold.

Anyway, what do I think? "Sigh" just about sums it up. Why? If it is to get rid of any Liefield rights, it doesn't make sense, Liefield has stated they don't have to pay him anything until it reaches a certain sales number. If it's to raise sales, and I'm going to assume here, so no one need remind me :), it wont work. Oh, sure, it might go up in sales for a couple/three months, just because it's shiny and new. But it won't last. And then it's going to fall back, and probably fall back below the original sales.

??

I'm no businessman, so what they have planned might be the best thing since velcro, and I wish them the best. But from where I'm sitting, it makes no sense.

Will I keep reading? Probably, if it's the same character. If it's not, I'll pick it up and see, but I'll not pretend that it's still Cable. (Or Deadpool)

-Keith

Askanison
Feb 22, 2002, 02:21 am
It looks like the beginning of the end for my favorite mutant.
I'm going to cross my fingers that Solder X will do good but I have a feeling that its going to be one of those things when they try it for about 10 or 12 issues and then it will be dropped. Well I hope this gives the title the boost they think it will.

strangerx
Feb 22, 2002, 02:40 am
I don't really get why they have to go and do all this. It's still going to be the same title done by the same creative teams. I really don't want to spend the extra money that a number one issue will charge. This is just a clever gimmick to get some extra money from the fans who all ready read the books. I don't really see to many people jumping on board the books if they're not reading them now. I mean, the books aren't going to reset the continuity or anything, they will most likly just pick up where the last issue left off. What a pain.

atomicbomb84
Feb 22, 2002, 01:54 pm
What it seems to say (maybe not about X-Force, there is maybe something else to it) is that Cable and Deadpool need more readers. Liefelds comments seemed to imply that these titles were in trouble, even though Marvel were trumpeting Cable's rising sales. Someone isnt telling the whole story, and I'd put money on it being Marvel, despite my feelings about Liefeld.

abe

FreakyFlyBry
Feb 22, 2002, 04:43 pm
For X-Force, I applaud the name change, as this is not the same team, X-Statics is okay. Agent X and Soldier X, however, are dumb. What's wrong with Cable and Deadpool? They don't need relaunches! They're fine as they are!

Anthony Lucynski
Feb 22, 2002, 05:13 pm
Eric- Who ever is telling you that they can still use Rob's characters and just have to change the name and redesign it a little is feeding you a story. (not that it matters, Liefeld has stated over and over that they dont make enough money FOR him to recieve royalties)

Like Keith said, they only way they could do it is if they actually put new characters in the book SIMILAR to the old characters. With X-force, I can understand why they are doing it. Marvel has a lot of faith that this original team will gain nothing but heat, and if it ever does start selling through the roof, they dont want to have to pay Liefeld money cuz the damn name is X-Force. All they have to do is change the name, and they are all set because Liefeld had nothing to do with the current team. But Deadpool and Cable are totally different stories. They are stil Rob's characters, and a rose by any other name is still rose. They would have to not only relaunch the title with a new name, but change the character so it's a "reasonable fascimile" of the old character. Sure, we all know it would be "deadpool" or "cable", but it's really NOT.

It's one of those murky, tricky grey areas of the law that could concievably drag on in a court battle for ever if one or the other party chose to do it.

At any rate, Marvel is thinking long term on this one, and what COULD happen.

Anthony L

Angelfan28
Feb 22, 2002, 06:34 pm
I personally do not like the new Cable book, its a totally different character to me, so it should get a name change

Deadpool should just be like Superman in Action Comics

have Deadpool in Agent of the X with deadpool small and agent of the x real big as the title of the book

X-statics is fine with me since the book has changed so much kinda like when it went from new mutants to x-force

BoomBot
Feb 22, 2002, 08:45 pm
I'll adress the X-Force changes first. I agree with mostly everyone here that Milligan and Allred deserve the name change and relaunch. Their X-Force is so much better than the past team. Now, on the name of X-Statics, I actually think it sounds pretty good. It sounds kind of quirky and retro.

Now, for the Deadpool and Cable changes. The names don't fit really because those two titles differ from the other X titles so much that the X wouldn't make sense in there. If Deadpool was recruited by Weapon X or something, yeah sure it'd make a little sense. Or if Cable connected more with the X-Men, yeah sure that would make sense. Also, the sales wouldn't differ too much. A new creative team is already coming on Deadpool, which I'm going to try out since I saw that Rhino cover. Cable is doing pretty well now since Tischman and Kordey got on. So why now? The sales would go up quite a bit with the #1, since everyone will want to check that one out. Then they will stay at a good spot for quite a few issues and then slowly decline to a about 10 spots above its former spot.

As for Cable, at times I like the new direction and then again I don't. I still wish though that he was back to the old cool stuff like helping the X-Men and fighting against Apocalypse (which is not possible, yet...) I feel now I don't recognize him anymore. Although, I did buy #100 and I felt it was pretty d@mn good, especially when he got rid of the TKO virus.

Brian Wilkinson
Feb 22, 2002, 09:52 pm
I wonder why they are doing this other than to boost sales? Almost everyone involved (including Liefeld) have mentioned that his royalty checks are almost an embarassment and that it isn't really needed.

I mean, AGENT X? How does that even SUIT deadpool? Maybe this whole thing is another AGE OF APOCALYPSE type relaunch in that it isn't permanent, but part of a specific story.

I doubt it, but it's possible.

xtremexman
Feb 22, 2002, 10:17 pm
Originally posted by Brian E. Wilkinson
I wonder why they are doing this other than to boost sales? Almost everyone involved (including Liefeld) have mentioned that his royalty checks are almost an embarassment and that it isn't really needed.

I mean, AGENT X? How does that even SUIT deadpool? Maybe this whole thing is another AGE OF APOCALYPSE type relaunch in that it isn't permanent, but part of a specific story.

I doubt it, but it's possible.

I would like to take this time to better analyze the new titles. First, I'll start with Soldier X. That title sort of goes along with what Cable is at the moment, and that is a soldier. He goes from country to country on a regular basis getting involved with several different ethnic conflicts along the way. Soldier X is an appropriate replacement if you ask me. Second, there's Agent X.

Remember the whole Agent of Weapon X storyline? Well, if Deadpool becomes Agent X we will all know why. It's only obvious what's going to happen. Then again, I am only guessing as to what might actually happen. This is by no means an actual fact.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I am only expressing mine. As far as X Statics is concerned, I have no idea why X Force MIGHT adopt that name. It could be for a various amount of reasons, none of which are clear at the moment. I think the same goes for all the new titles when I say your guess is as good as mine.

Michael Fisch
Feb 23, 2002, 06:08 am
I don't understand why Liefield is getting royalties in the first place. I thought Marvel characters were not creator-owned, so why would Liefield get anything for the use of these characters that Marvel owns the right to? Unless when a creator comes up with an idea for a character Marvel has to buy the rights from the creator, but that seems unlikely. Does Claremont recieve royalties whenever they do a Gambit series? Or if they wanted to do a Dazzler? It makes no sense.

It seems to me more likely that the rumor was started by Liefield's own ego.

Anthony Lucynski
Feb 23, 2002, 03:31 pm
I don't understand why Liefield is getting royalties in the first place. I thought Marvel
characters were not creator-owned, so why would Liefield get anything for the use of
these characters that Marvel owns the right to? Unless when a creator comes up with an
idea for a character Marvel has to buy the rights from the creator, but that seems
unlikely. Does Claremont recieve royalties whenever they do a Gambit series? Or if they
wanted to do a Dazzler? It makes no sense.

That's the deal they made with Rob at the time. Every contract is different, and not everybody gets the same thing. It just happens to be that Rob's contract included royalties on the characters he specifically created. And to be honest, I dont even know if it's every character he created. It may have just been for Deadpool and Cable, along with his X-Force. Who knows? Only Rob and Marvel...

It seems to me more likely that the rumor was started by Liefield's own ego.

Aww for crying out loud, was the neccessary? Do you even know Rob? Do you talk to him everyday like his fans over at Spinnerrack do? Heck, even when he's interviewed, he has nothing but good things to say about his former Image partners. Sound like ego to you? He even admits all his mistakes, and how he was young and stupid at the time (his own words, not mine. FYI, Rob was asked by several sources (including X-Fan) if he knew anything about the rumor that RICH JOHNSTON started at Silver Bullets (so unless Rich is the living emodiment of Rob Liefeld's ego.....). He only commented because he was asked. Until he was bugged about it, he didnt even know about it.

Damn, I hate cheap shots at creators...

Anthony L

DaveCummings
Feb 23, 2002, 04:19 pm
I don't think that Liefeld made it up. Creators have been getting Royalties from Marvel and DC for quite awhile.

But, I don't think that the name change was to keep Liefeld from getting royalties.

I mean, when Liefeld originally worked on X-Force, comics sold a hell of alot more, so the amount sold in order to get royalites might have been different. And now, with sales pretty much not nearly as much as they were a decade ago. So, I don't even know if Liefeld is getting any royalties right now.

But I could be mistaken.


But, I am getting tired of the Liefeld bashing as well. I mean, I am not a fan of his, but it is getting tired (hell I was getting tired of it a decade ago, when it first became fashionable to bash him)
~Dave

Anthony Lucynski
Feb 23, 2002, 09:16 pm
Aint that the friggin truth.

At any rate, Liefeld has already said that he's not getting any royalties because of the low sales. We're all just SPECULATING thanks to Rich Johnston on what the reason is.

But you dont need to speculate, i'll tell you why:

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

#1 issues sell. It's also a good point for new fans to jump on. And anything with an X tends to do pretty darn good.

Anthony L

BoomBot
Feb 24, 2002, 07:43 am
Originally posted by: DaveCummings
And now, with sales pretty much not nearly as much as they were a decade ago.
Well, if you read Wizard #126 it has an article about the best year of sales in comics since '93. This was because of titles like Origin, DK2, Heroes and AMS #36. You should check it out if you don't believe me.

Al Harahap
Feb 24, 2002, 08:00 am
Originally posted by DaveCummings
And now, with sales pretty much not nearly as much as they were a decade ago.

Originally posted by Hotrod

Well, if you read Wizard #126 it has an article about the best year of sales in comics since '93. This was because of titles like Origin, DK2, Heroes and AMS #36. You should check it out if you don't believe me.

Y'know, you're not really contradicting him. If you read carefully, DaveCummings said "a decade ago," and 93 is just a little under a decade ago. And he's right in that the comic sales have taken a turn for the worse since then. Now, Wizard saying that this past year's sales being the best since 93 may at first glance sound optimistic for us comic readers, but if you look at the titles you're mentioning as the main reasons as to this sales boost (Origin, DK2, Heroes, AMS #36), it's temporary more than anything because one of them is a once-in-a-lifetime deal of revealing a popular character's long-awaited mysterious origin, another is a highly hyped-up sequel to an 80's mini relying on its past success, and the other two are reliant on the reactive emotions of a large-scale real life disaster. Not that that's bad, but I just don't see that as a good sign that we can hold on to and bring out the bubbly unless sales were to rise according to regular ongoing series.

Anthony Lucynski
Feb 24, 2002, 06:09 pm
Only if the numbers on monthly titles continue to improve over a duration will this truely be a comeback.

Relaunching the three titles with a #1 would be a temporary shot in the arm, the real test would be if, two years later, they are still selling well.

Anthony L

BoomBot
Feb 24, 2002, 06:16 pm
Originally posted by Doop:
Y'know, you're not really contradicting him. If you read carefully, DaveCummings said "a decade ago," and 93 is just a little under a decade ago. And he's right in that the comic sales have taken a turn for the worse since then. Now, Wizard saying that this past year's sales being the best since 93 may at first glance sound optimistic for us comic readers, but if you look at the titles you're mentioning as the main reasons as to this sales boost (Origin, DK2, Heroes, AMS #36), it's temporary more than anything because one of them is a once-in-a-lifetime deal of revealing a popular character's long-awaited mysterious origin, another is a highly hyped-up sequel to an 80's mini relying on its past success, and the other two are reliant on the reactive emotions of a large-scale real life disaster. Not that that's bad, but I just don't see that as a good sign that we can hold on to and bring out the bubbly unless sales were to rise according to regular ongoing series.
Thanks for pointing that out. You kind of made those titles seem negative in a way. Now it seems like we'll never have this kind of a sales year again. Although, I'll keep collecting til every issue is ridiculous, which I imagine that'll never happen.

tyran80
Feb 24, 2002, 08:31 pm
Originally posted by AnthonyL
Only if the numbers on monthly titles continue to improve over a duration will this truely be a comeback.

Relaunching the three titles with a #1 would be a temporary shot in the arm, the real test would be if, two years later, they are still selling well.


That's what i'm afraid of... that this will set off a temporary burst of buying "collector's issues", and when the initial hype is over, the drop in sales might convince the high command to drop the title altogether.

Which i hope does not happen.... all three are very good books. I don't even think Cable and Deadpool need a relaunch.

xtremexman
Feb 24, 2002, 08:38 pm
Originally posted by tyran80


That's what i'm afraid of... that this will set off a temporary burst of buying "collector's issues", and when the initial hype is over, the drop in sales might convince the high command to drop the title altogether.

Which i hope does not happen.... all three are very good books. I don't even think Cable and Deadpool need a relaunch.

It is my opinion that Cable does not indeed need a relaunch. It is fine just the way it is. However, I strongly believe that a relaunch for Deadpool would do the title some good. Why? Well, first there was Deadpool: Agent of Weapon X. Then came Deadpool: Funeral For A Freak.

Now there will be Deadpool: Master Assassin. Isn't this enough inconsistency for one book? If the title keeps changing like that sales are bound to decline.

DaveCummings
Feb 24, 2002, 09:22 pm
Originally posted by Hotrod

Well, if you read Wizard #126 it has an article about the best year of sales in comics since '93. This was because of titles like Origin, DK2, Heroes and AMS #36. You should check it out if you don't believe me.

I think what they mean is that last year is the first increase in sales since 93. Because shortly after that was when sales took a nose dive. In '93, sales for books, like X-Men, which was still the best selling comics at the time were around 700,000, still a hell of alot more than what is considered best selling nowadays (around 100,000 to 150,000) and most of the comics selling less than 100,000, which was considered levels for cancellation in 93.

~Dave

Anthony Lucynski
Feb 24, 2002, 10:13 pm
The fact of the matter is, Deadpool has been struggling since back when Kelly was on the book (and he's widly regarded as the best writer to ever work on the book).

Anybody remember the online campaign to save Deadpool? It led to Kelly leaving the book (having been told it was already cancelled). The fact that it's been walking the razor's edge towards cancellation these past few years means quite literally only diehard fans are keeping this book alive. A few people jumped on for the Weapon X storyline, mainly fans of Teiri's Wolverine, but still, it's been a cult following keeping this book alive. If relaunching it means keeping it around longer, i'm all for it honestly.

Anthony L

BoomBot
Feb 25, 2002, 01:58 am
Now it seems like a good idea to relaunch Deadpool. After what you guys have said, you guys being fans of the series, I think they should to get on new readers. I would definitely buy the first issue, and as usual if I liked it I would buy the next issue until I deemed it not worthy.
I'm still against relaunching Cable though. It's going good now it seems since recent sales. Can someone help me, is the Cable writer, Tischman or Macan?:help:

chrisinboaz
Feb 25, 2002, 03:17 am
Originally posted by atomicbomb84
Yeah, but with Cable and Deadpool, thered stillbe the 'seconday' number underneath, which they could return to if it blows...however, I think X-Force (the new one) deserves a number 1, cuz it has definitely outstripped all that went before on this title...

abe

Yeah, but the X-titles have a history of drastic changes within a title. X-Factor did it in '91. Even Uncanny X-Men did it with the introduction of the "All-New, All-Different" team in 1974.

If those changes didn't call for corresponding title changes, I don't think X-Force does.

Eric J. Moreels
Feb 25, 2002, 03:44 am
Originally posted by chrisinboaz
If those changes didn't call for corresponding title changes, I don't think X-Force does.

X-Men became Uncanny X-Men
New Mutants became X-Force
X-Factor became Mutant X
X-Men (Vol 2) became New X-Men

And now it looks likely that X-Force will become X-Statics, Cable will become Soldier X (which is kind of ironic, since the character was originally going to be called "Commander X"), and Deadpool will become Agent X.

It's not like ending a title then relaunching it with a new title and a new #1 issue is anything new.

Michael Fisch
Feb 25, 2002, 05:48 pm
Originally posted by X-Fan


X-Men became Uncanny X-Men
New Mutants became X-Force
X-Factor became Mutant X
X-Men (Vol 2) became New X-Men

And now it looks likely that X-Force will become X-Statics, Cable will become Soldier X (which is kind of ironic, since the character was originally going to be called "Commander X"), and Deadpool will become Agent X.

It's not like ending a title then relaunching it with a new title and a new #1 issue is anything new.

No offense, X-Fan, but only one of your analogies (New Mutants becoming X-Force) fits. X-men becoming uncanny and X-Men Vol 2 becoming New did not involve cancelling the title and relaunching it with a number 1 issue. And X-Factor becoming Mutant X was done because it was a brand new idea and direction than X-Factor had...there were no ties to the old title other than it starred Havok. It'd be like if Captain America suddenly left and ran a Pizza Hut...would you still call it the Avengers?

New Mutants becoming X-Force fits the analogy because it was the same creators ending one title and starting up a new one with pretty much the same group of characters and a continuation of the storyline they left with. Whether this is what is in store for Cable, Deadpool, and X-Force now is pure speculation, but many people assume it is. Also, I don't think they've ever made such an event of it, relaunching 3 titles at once to play off major hype. Whatever the intentions are, the underlying goal must be to make as much money as possible in a short amount of time. I just hope they don't comprimise the creative integrity of the titles by doing so.

xtremexman
Feb 25, 2002, 10:30 pm
Originally posted by Hotrod
Now it seems like a good idea to relaunch Deadpool. After what you guys have said, you guys being fans of the series, I think they should to get on new readers. I would definitely buy the first issue, and as usual if I liked it I would buy the next issue until I deemed it not worthy.
I'm still against relaunching Cable though. It's going good now it seems since recent sales. Can someone help me, is the Cable writer, Tischman or Macan?:help:

I have never collected the series myself but I am a big fan of Deadpool. I always have been since his first appearance. When I first heard that Deadpool was being cancelled, I was one of the first people to sign that online petition. Now that it is going to be cancelled yet again, and then given a relaunch, I had to think things through. What I said, I meant, and I for one am glad that Deadpool is getting a relaunch.

It's about time.

Dream2002
Feb 27, 2002, 01:45 am
Hmmmm...I'm always suspicious when an Editor thinks that by throwing the letter X into a title's name that suddenly it's a better a book.

What makes a comic book a worthwhile read is not if the letter X is on the cover or if Wolverne is doing his eventual cameo. It's how well the creative teams on the book challenge and surprise us that determines it's value. Or at least that what counts for me.

xtremexman
Feb 27, 2002, 01:59 am
Originally posted by Dream2002
Hmmmm...I'm always suspicious when an Editor thinks that by throwing the letter X into a title's name that suddenly it's a better a book.

What makes a comic book a worthwhile read is not if the letter X is on the cover or if Wolverne is doing his eventual cameo. It's how well the creative teams on the book challenge and surprise us that determines it's value. Or at least that what counts for me.

Here's a challenge for you - name all the current books using the letter X.

Raziel
Feb 28, 2002, 05:34 am
New X-Men
X-Force
Uncanny X-Men
X-Treme X-Men
eXiles
Ultimate X-Men
X-Men Unlimited
X-Men Icons
X-Men Evolution
X-Factor(in April)

Eric J. Moreels
Feb 28, 2002, 06:37 am
What has naming every book with an X in the title got to do with the July relaunches?

xtremexman, please stop de-railing threads with off-topic posts.

Cosmo
Feb 28, 2002, 07:51 pm
I think X-statics would actually fit X-force better.
Soldier-X and Agent-X...dont like that idea. too cheesey. Just Soldier would be fine for Cable. no clue about Deadpool though.